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[fish]

i am a religous person, im jewishi posted about this before, maybe a year ago or this past year.i dont know alot about demons, i did some research and found barely anything. just basic things and stuff i dont agree with like them being angels and turning against god. i dont know alot and id want to know more. but all i know id that they are bad and scary and cause alot of trouble and most people want to stay away want to know how to understand the situation. i dont know how a person like me got involved with these things. im a kind,goody 2 shoes, helpful and charitable person. i have saved animals, peoples lives, given charity to homeless when i was not asked. i am probably being picked on by these things
i have never practiced witchcraft or tried to summon a ghost. i dont know alot about the occult or demonic things.i have a family member who is posessed by demons or even satan too himself at times. the devil had manifested in her but its also demons .
she has a severe personality change, her voice changes, she claims to be a male now, her energy is heavy, the floor shakes when she walks, she has unusual abilities like predcting things. she predicts world tradgedies and then they happen within weeks, she predicts personal tradgedy also, she also claims to have premonition dreams
she tells me im a pathetic lost soul just like "the others". she wont tell me who the others are.
she tells me shes watching me and is onto me and that im just like the others.
she acts with severe hatred towards me , yelling, screaming, threatening me daily, doing everything to make me suffer, she curses at me and says sick things. she tells me to kill myself and that she will put feces on my coffin.
she tells me she controls my future, she says horrible things will happen to me
she says i need to be punished and locked up. she tells me she hates god, she says everyone hates me, she wants me to feel isolated, she tells me god hates me and will punish me, she beat me with a hebrew prayer book then tossed it to the floor which is disrespectful and a sin in my religion
she tells me to not pray to god, she also draws demon seals on the door that are not finished. she told me not to summon her.
she says shes a demon, she tells me i have long claws even tho i have no claws. she tells me she has claws but i see no claws on her.
its pretty scary, shes racist against women and she talks bad about women as if shes a shovenistic guy.
shes completely the opposite from how she used to be, she used to be a kind, caring, loving and giving religous person who was there for you no matter what. i dont hate my sister i hate the person who is pretending to be her and taking her looks in order to trick me or cause me sadness. i hate the activities this creature does. it certainly is not my sister, the only thing this thing has in common with her is her looks and the life role is trying to play

she dosnt know my age, my middle name, holidays and events shes practiced her whole life, books she read. etc she has no memory of what my real sister used to know. she tried to guess my age and she was off by 10 years one time and 3 years the other time and this is my relative who should know this

she eats food my sister used to be allergic too, in large quantity
she stutters and talks strange as if its hard to speak english, she acts like engnlish is a 2nd language. but english is the only language she speaks fluently. she spoke english since she was a toddler. ive seen spanish speaking imigrants speaking better english sentences then she does at times
she forgets how to talk english. and messes up and starts over or cant think if simple words
she tells me the devil tells her things in her mind and that the devil is after me, she smirks alot and acts happy when bad things happen. she tells me the devil tells her to torture me.
she makes animal noises and does things to distract me. she tries to stop me from eating, getting things i need, caring for my health or accomplishing minor positive life goals.she makes it her business to be on top of things and make sure things dont work out for me. she has no goals or plans for herself she sits home and follows me and thinks about me all day and ways to harm me and prevent me from doing anything good for myself or others.she tries to stop me and she torments me to weaken me emotionally so that i give up. i feel depressed from this. the entire summer she sat home making animal noises throught the day, following me around and cursing at me and trying to hit me every day.
she stares into space alot. i told her why dont you do something , she said she has to control me.
she was in a transe once doing something bad to me and going into my room and grabbing one of my most important things and walking out with it while under a transe.
it looked like something commanded her to do it
she tells me shes an actor and the world is a stage. she tells me shes not my family and that shes male.
she told me tonight that tonight is the night of the dancing gods and then she started to dance

she told me she wants to be god.

i asked what her name is and she cursed at me and got severely violent
she hit me with objects, chairs, curtain rods, wooden planks
she threw water at me and food items
shes beaten me many times and acted severely harsh to a point i feared for my life and thought about calling the cops.

this is not my sister, this is some rabid creature, she acts like a rabid animal and runs around and attacks randomly. she will randomly attack me out of nowhere and get violent

she acts sometimes like she forgets how to be human, she walks with odd postures bent over sideways, she often jumps out of places.
she makes hissing sounds. she claims she witnessed bible events. she says she hates mortals and hates mortals like me

whatever this thing is its not my sister but fort some reason according to me it looks like my sister. it isnt her personality. this thing acts severely sinful, jateful, rabid, mischevous,angry and mean and violent. its not a creature that god created to go to heaven. god created people as kind beings even tho something people do have flaws its never this bad. a wild dog wouldnt treat me how my sister treats me. ive seen mean people and this is not mean this is bizarre, over the top.

im getting beaten and spit on. i need to find out why. get to the bottom of this

she says shes after me, not my family or sister. shes using her to harm me
either my sister is posessed or it is a demon that looks like my sister. those are 2 conclusions
she warned me about this before it happened. she said demons were after me and pretending to be people i love and care for. probably in order to hurt me.
my sister is not a demon, i know her well enough and how kind she is, this is a seperate thing. its an entity or odd creature
i have some abilities to read minds, i have empathy on certain things
and i was able to read into this demon that its angry and hates me and wants me to hate my sister.it wants to hurt me and stop me from being happy and its sad too not for me but its sad because its selfish and feels bad for itself, it also wants to be god and hurt god
my sister calls me god all the time now, whenever shes sad or angry at something she calls me god and she tells me i know everything heaven knows, she said im one of them
she acts like im some super genius on religous biblical topics, because she dosnt know anything anymore\
she is trying to hurt me for no reason,

i stood up to it when it was yelling at me, i told it that she is only abusing me and tormenting me because its angry that god will send it to the lake of fire. that got her very scared and she shut up and ran away very fast even tho all i did was say that right after she was trying to beat me
it was personal for her.
im very sad, i was warned about this and now it happened. how do i deal with it. i dont know how to handle demons., i dont knopw much about them. i have so many questions., sepcific things i want to ask

this thing know my dreams, nightmares etc..she comes up to me telling me personal things about myself, such as dreams and nightmares i have

she predicts death and tradgedy and laughs when it happens. its sick

she smiles like bin laden did on thaty video tape they have of him when hes hearing the radio and hearing the world trade center went down

she smirks alot and has many facial distortions. she can make things happen on her face that humans canot. she makes her eyebrows go vertically up and down at times
she does odd things with her eyes too. they have turned colors and other things........ she can lift a heavy dining room table over her head
she makes odd grimaces and i saw the devil on her face once, her face shapeshifted sort of and i saw the devil on the face.also i was attacked by a ghost when she ran after me

she cornered me in a room that the demon seal was written on the door of the room. and she stared at me with odd crazy eyes, like the satanic look she had. ive never seen her eyes like that before or any human and all of a sudden i felt a force push me, i felt this big giant thing drag me across the room, i saw my feet drag backwards and then it shoved me down. i was lying on the ground there looking up and my sister still held that stare on me, she didnt take her eyes away.

i screamed and told her to go away and she finally did and i was able to get back up
a few times when i put salt on the floor of a room it stopped her from coming in
theres a lot going on. i have alot of questions on demons, how can i leanr about them and where? can anyone here answer questions on them

what can i do, to keep myself safe, what do i need to know? how do demons interact with humans and why?i am very scared and didnt try to deal with this. ive nevr studied demonology or tried any witchcraft. i am sort of against that and i view demons as bad

[Fr_CV]

Look for a jewish way to do this, of course.

Such a brioef way is mentioned:

"The Jewish exorcism ritual is performed by a rabbi who has mastered practical Kabbalah. The ceremony involves a quorum of 10 people who gather in a circle around the possessed person. The group recites Psalm 91 three times, and the rabbi blows the shofar -- a ram's horn. Rabbi Winkler has performed four exorcisms in his life so far. He said, "We blow the ram's horn in a certain way, with certain notes, in effect to shatter the body, so to speak. So that the soul who is possessing will be shaken loose. After it has been shaken loose, we can begin to communicate with it and ask it what it is here for. We can pray for it and do a ceremony for it to enable it to feel safe and finished so that it can leave the person's body."

The point of the exorcism is to heal the person being possessed and the spirit doing the possessing. This is a stark contrast to the Catholic exorcism that is intended to drive away the offending spirit or demon. Winkler said, "We don't drive anything out of anybody. What we want to do is to heal the soul that's possessing and heal the person. It's all about healing -- we do the ceremony on behalf of both people.""

From: Dybbuk - Spiritual Possession and Jewish Folklore (http://www.ghostvillage.com/legends/2003/legends32_11292003.shtml)

[fish]

i dont thinkl thats going to work. this is not a soul posessing her, its not a spirit either.that arcticle talks about a human spirit who passed who posessed someone. this thing in the form of my sister is demonic. its a demon and a very strong demon, most liklely a head demon right under satan. ots very powerful and wants to be god. this is not a ghost and not like a ghost, a ghost dosnt have that much power and isnt as mean at all.
a ghost can be healed because they have a human soul and a heart, even the meanest of all mean ghosts. a demon cannot be healed,it is not hurting, it wants chaos and pain and disorder. it only wants to hurt people, theres no such thing as healing a demon, i thought about it but you cannot turn a psycho demon who wants to eat peoples flesh and dethrone god into the easter bunny.

its redundant and single minded and only wants to harm people. its anti human and anti anything that makes sense

this thing does not want to give up and its very powerful, enough to drag me across the floor and ruin my life. it has diseapeared and reapeared again. it shoots fire from its eyes, the eyes glow like lightening

ghosts dont shoot fire from the eyes and they dont do all the crazy things she did to me. i have experience with angry human ghosts, they used to play tricks on us, turn on and off the light, mainly be funny. like anytime i walked under a light it would flicker. it would try to send messages, appear and disapear, yell for help or vocalize but it would never do anything as crazy as what this girl who claims to be my sister is doing

this is satan himself. she had manifested as the devil many times. it might even be satan himself who is posessing her

if we can"heal" satan then we have cured the worlds trouble.

this is no ghost and no dybuk, this is not an angry man who has passed.this is something thats never been alive that dosnt know how it is to be human. its powerful.

its dosnt understand human traits.

its manipulative and sneaky

i am uneasy about this this you posted even tho im jewish., were not dealing with a ghost or anything that can be called out. this thing will fight or swipe me with 1 paw if i do the wrong thing. its making awful things happen.

i dont mind looking into other ways of handling this, even tho im jewish

im openminded to the christian, catholic ways, muslim, non religous, pagan, etc

anything. i need ideas. or to learn more about this

the thing might posess me, and then what? ill run through the streets killing people against my will and then when it finally decides to leave me illl be sitting in a prision cell or a state insane asylum

it dosnt like me and it dosnt want me to know, thats why it hides behind my sisters appearance. i dont even know if its posessing my sister. maybe its actaually only a demon and its taking on a human form? i have no idea what the possibility is
theres many possibilities if you keep your mind open

doppleganger?

i have twin cousins for example, they are identical but ones a mean one and the other one is nice. i can look at it that way. how do i know which twin im talking to

[007m]

first of all...consult a psychiatrist about your sisters problem, but after the description it looks like a deamon possesion to me.
Your description is quite strange, hope you don't play with such things.
Consult your rabbi. You need specialized exorcist.
Try to ingore the deamon, or whatever that thing is...It could take time until an official exorcism ritual is approved. I don't know how it is in the hebre religion, but for an exorcism in the catholic curch you need aprovements from the vatican, or something...And it usualy takes time.

[fish]

i dont care if its a catholic preist who helps me. i doubt ill find a rabbi who will. demon posession is rarely talked about in synagogues and most rabbis dont believe in it or they only believe in ghosts like above. so im losing any hope a jewish rabbi can help me. i guess i might have to go to a preist. i dont think the demon belongs to any religion, it basically worships itself so any religous leader will help.

shes seen a psychiatrist and other doctors and they dont think shes mentally ill or sick. ive also seen mental health profesionals and im not sick either.

its definately demonic and not some other excuse or rational explainable thing

[Andyr]

Correct me if I am wrong but an exocisum by a preist can only legaly be performed in the UK now?

To me it is a classic case of demonic possesion and having seen this on numerous occasions myself and also having being possesed also I sympothise with your predicament.

However I do get the impression that your not telling us the whole story here ? Far as my experience go's you can end up being possesed from a summoning that has gone horribly wrong or you actully invite a demon to possess yourself without any ritual if your emotions are strong enough... I have not known them to randomly possess people before.

So what was the chain of events that lead upto this happening ?

[fish]

im not sure what happened. a few years ago, some odd stuff happened. i was cursed at by a few people. i ended up getting hurt badly and almost died. after that everything got worse and thats when demonic influence entered my life and it began to affect my family and got woprse gradually over a few years.

my sister warned me that she saw something terrible and that something terrible will happen to me. she told me a demon was controlling me and satan was after me. she explained to me that demons were already taking over parts of my life, and that i didnt see it but she did. and i sort of did but was in denial. i saw a few odd things that she also did, it was odd. my entire family was doing this chant and swaying

but i blocked it out because i felt crazy even tho my sister saw it too and told me
she warned me anything can happen and something bad was about to happen, she used to pray for me and was very upset and seemed desperate when trying to warn me basically every day. but i ignored it, because i was afraid
the last time i saw her " my real sister" she seemed really sad like she knew something was going to happen and she basically begged me to give her a hug and told me she loves me and cares about me and that shes worried

a few days later i came back home and bam
! everything changed, she was a different person and everyone in my family sort of changed but they didnt act severely odd. only my sister did

i dont know what happened while i left

i dont practice witccraft. i owned a uoija board when i was younger, my parents housecleaner does practice witchcraft
but did this has been following me since i almost died. so maybe it got worse and manifested itself more severely by showing up as my sister, or posessing her. sort of like how a faded thing becomes more bold. it went from a minor thing to an evident thing
i was cursed at. i dont know what sin went on, but i let go of myself. i had severe health problems that i almost died from relating to the accident and i stopped caring for my health. that might be it, it might have seen me as a victim and is using those closest to me to get to me. since this demon seems to be targeting me, it dosnt say o9t hates my sister it says it hates me
it saw me as weak and came after me as a target.

also maybe since the near death situation was sort of my fault. some could view it as a suicide attempt. so that i think invites demons, maybe they were trying to kill me or made me do it


maybe some odd situation happened because i changed things and became disabled and i couldnt walk anymore very well after the injury

so the devil was standing there waiting for me like a cat with its mouth open waiting for a mouse to walk in. maybe it wanted me to die. so it sent demons after me

i was having a struggle

[Andyr]

So your not an orthodox Jew then ?
How do you know you were cursed ? and why ?

Your sister become the messenger because she is the closest person to you, that would be correct to an extent...

What kind of results did you get with that uoija board ? and was there any lasting aftermath so to speak ?
And how do you know your parents housekeep practices witchcraft ?
How long has she been there in relation to your sister relaying these initial warnings to you ?

[Fr_CV]

Instead of talking on a forum, go talk to rabbi or jewish kabbalist.

[Andyr]

Instead of talking on a forum, go talk to rabbi or jewish kabbalist.

I get the distinct impression that fish is unable to do that, as reading between the lines I do feel that the one/s he does know are somewhat upset shall we say....

Again lets just say that was an "assumption" and forgive me fish if I am wrong :)

[zero]

a quick google brought up this ask a rabbi (http://www.liveperson.com/experts/spirituality-religion/religion/ask-a-rabbi/)

[Andyr]

a quick google brought up this ask a rabbi (http://www.liveperson.com/experts/spirituality-religion/religion/ask-a-rabbi/)

Hey how kool is that :) nice find Zero

[fish]

So your not an orthodox Jew then ?
How do you know you were cursed ? and why ?

Your sister become the messenger because she is the closest person to you, that would be correct to an extent...

What kind of results did you get with that uoija board ? and was there any lasting aftermath so to speak ?
And how do you know your parents housekeep practices witchcraft ?
How long has she been there in relation to your sister relaying these initial warnings to you ?



i am an orthodox jew, but i havent been keeping sabbath lately because im very nervous and dont have anywhere to go and have to much stress to be cooped up in a house for 2 days on the weekend with a threatening, posessed person and a dysfunctional family who dosnt get alone with me so well. i dont know how to explain.

nothing happened with the uija board. i just know it didnt work., i had to move the peice by myself and nothing was happening, nothing was spelled out. so i put the game away. i dont think i threw it out.

since my parents housekeeper came to work my family has had some sort of bad luck. also she talks spanish and is from el salvator, she has abused me when i was younger, she would hit me, throw things at me and curse at me in spanish, she still curses at me and siblings. we suspect she is a witch because she chants angrily alot to herself . its all spanish but it sounds odd, she wispers chants, she can chants for minutes in a row reapeating words etc for an entire 5 minute time
she also does odd rituals , she lines things up in the home in circles often, she also gives evil glares to people and things occur after that. she was giving the evil eye to my sister. and right then as she stared at my sister who was walking to somewhere, my sister tripped down the steps. she gives odd glares to people. she looks odd too, gives a creepy stare and she wears multi gem rings on her hands. each finger has another large gem color on all 5 fingers and both hands either 4 or 5 finger

so like 8-10 fingers all togeather have seperate gems. santeria and bricheria are common in her country. she yells abusive spanish langauge to my sisters and i, severe temper. also she cornered me a few times and threatened to kill me in spanish or something. she was yelling and hissing and saying muerta muerta muerto, tu muerta and other spanish things i didnt understand. then she was yelling another time at me in a crazy tone and she said muerta muerto, and then she was waving her hand at me saying brucheria and some other scary sounding things.

so i caught that word she said brucheria, and it means witch

we suspected for years she was a witch, me and my sisters.

one of my parents was in the hospital a few years ago, and when the housekeeper came in that day she didnt see the parent so she came up to my sister and said where is the parent, in spanish. she said donde esta padre, madre. and then she said in english, "hospital?", no one informed her they were in the hospital. she knew right away.

she often leaves dead house flies on the bathroom sink after cleaning that were not there before, the house began to have infestations of mice and roaches after she began to work here, but i dont know if thats involved with her

she dosnt like animals at all, we used to have a cat, my whoe life growing up. very nice and very polite and quiet cat, she was an angel. very adorable. and was always neat and independant and loving. one of the nice cats there is. the cat was always afraid of her, she would chase the cat with a broom or vacuum, the cat would hide under furniture from her all day. she would spray cleaning spray into the food plate of crunchies left out for her. my cat was horrified by her. she would run to the other side to avoid her. anyhow my cat also picked up on ghosts and was very empathetic. if you criedc she came running to you. anyways a few weeks before she died, the housekeeper was caught staring at the cat while holding a broom and chanting crazy things in a chanting way to the cat. the same day she left a large black fly on the sink. the flies were never there before. she takes random dead flies from her purse and leaves them there. alot of times the bathrooms were spotless to begin withj and she will leave random already dead insects on the sink that had to have come from her purse, we checked the bathroom before she was in there, the sink and window was clean and spotless, the floor had no fly.
she goes in there and right when she leaves there a fly. she also chants in the bathroom

anyhow she is a very angry and mean person, she seems like a black witch, shes always yelling and threating revenge, or causeing trouble to my parents threatening them if they dont keep giving her raises. they pay her alot anyways
i know already shes a mean and careless person, she does give scary looks, so kids anyways suspect someone like that to be a boogey man or witch. this was when we were younger. shes worked here many years. shes also afraid to eat any food in the house wich is odd.

but the fact she said brucheria, she leaves dead insects all over the place and shes very traditionally spanish and those multi gem large rings she wears. just points to witch. shes probably a black witch. she has no pateince at all. she is cruel. if my sister or someone is trying to eat a bowl of cereal, she goes and yells at them and chases them out of the room because she "has to clean'';./ but she does this odd thing, she will be in another room in the middle of cleaning or vaccuming, she will stop whatever shes doing if she sees you in another room and she will follow you to that room to interupt what your doing to pretend she needs to clean in exactly the place your in, like she will make you leave a table

and then once your gone she will spray a few things and pretend to clean for a minut and go back and finish what she was doing in the first place

she has an odd scary look to her eyes. she has permanent eyeliner tatooed around each eye.

anyhow just giving her the very scary look affect. she has a short tempmber and yells alot . she has no patients. i got hurt badly and had a severe disability and couldnt walks so well withoutr holding onto something. i was disabled with mobolity trouble and she used to curse at me and threaten me because i couldnt move and i couldnt tell her in english because she speaks spanish and either pretended not to hear or didnt understand. she threw a chair at me because i couldnt walk and was angry i was in her way. another time she picked up a broom and hit me with it because i was in her way and could not move. she threatened me in spanish because i could not walk because i was resting where i stood, i was having severe chronic pain and i took a few minutes to stand where i was standing and lean on the table. she could have gone the other way. there was another way she could ahev gone around but instead she chose to hit me with a broom she was holding a few times

shes a vicous person

and my parents are very odd, they dont care that she abuses people or has hit me. they put up with her threats and give her many raises. they always keep her, she tried to quit as a tactic to get a raise, she said she wont uit if they pay her a certain amount extra and my parents accepted
they are loyal to her and attached. they dont care that she curses at people or gives disgusting looks to my sisters. shes nice to my parents tho escept all the threats in spanish, but shes not harrasing to them.
she is just mean to my sisters and i, she can get away with that because we dont pay her. she only is polite to parents

they dont care she leaves flies on the sink

but anyhow this cant be from her, i doubt she is that powerful or mean to do something like this such as invite demons or make something terrible happen.
maybe she causes a negative influence at best.

[fish]

also another time, these strange young men were staying at my house, due to my sister inviting over complete strangers while my parents were gone for a few days. i was older then everyone and they were acting insance and illegal, they brought alchohol and they were all under 21. 19 and 20 yr olds.
they sexually assaulted my sisters friend who was drunk at the time against her will because she was drunk. she told us what happened when they went to the living room in the middle of the night when we were all asleep. they threatened to assualt me, they ganged up on me and tried to attack me and they threw stuff at me. they were curcing at me and telling me to die and they threatened they would put curses on me. they were crazy or possibly mentally ill people., my sister met them from the internet and didnt know them, but she knew a freind of a freind of one of them
it got out of hand and when they went to take a short walk outside. i locked them out of the house, they had their cars outside and cell phones with them

i boilted all the windows and doors locked and they could not get back in and as the only adult over 21 there i asked them to leave and not return because they tried to physically assault me and i didnt feel safe, also there was a child in the house who didnt need to put up with the things they did. my sister was 16 at the time and they were trying to give her alchohol

so my sister gave them their stuff and they left. i did call the police because of the underage alchohol, i told the cops they are all 19 and 20 and that i dont want to get in trouble for being the only adult over 21 and allowing this to happen. i said it was out of my control. and i am a very shy and quiet person, so i was very intimidated by these guys. i dont have alot of social skills around males. i had a hard time standing up for myself and asking them to leave but i did. i felt terrified when i came down that morning and saw 3 guys lying on a fold out couch with a female friend of a sister.

maybe they got angry i called the cops.

perhaps they cursed me? no idea

but i have an orthodox household and it is very innapropriate to have males a certain age not related to family to be staying overnight in the same home, or even sleeping in the same bed as a female. my sisters friend was in a bed with them. she lied and said she is staying in my sisters room on a fold out bed. then she snuck to the living room to stay with the guys

so anyhow my brother in law said it was a good idea we called the cops

my family was worried and told me to call so i did.

the cops did nothing anyways, they didnt arrest anyone for underage alchohol.
they didnt listen to me or take me seriousely
they told me all the kids said they are 21 which was impossible because i was 22 and they were not my age. they were my sisters age which was 3 years younger. they were all 19 or turned 20. unless they had fake ids i doubt the police asked them for id


anyhow ALL of that was against my morals, as a religous person i dont think college age males and females staying overnight in the same home and underage alchohol is ok at all. i would have called 911 right away but i wanted to wait till the sabath ended. because it was not a serious life threatening emergency, they didnt try to physically attack me untill sabath was almost over. so i locked them out after that and then called the cops an hour later before they left






my sister has been warning me for about 3 years. god also sends me divine signs and divine intervention. some of it actually helped me scare the demon. my sister was terrified when i told her things god told me. when i stood up for myself. it didnt stop it but it scared her and made her be qwuiet for a few minutes and stop tormenting me like she was in the middle of doing


anyhow the way she described the demon to me before she became posessed is exactly the way she acts now, how the demon posessing her acts

she had all the details right, its ad if she saw into what could happen

its so confusing when i judge the situation with my eyes, it looks like her but isnt

[fish]

my father also did curse me to die. right before i got hurt

before this started. i dont know who might have done this, but if i got cursed it could be a number of things

i have a few enemies such as parents who have said hateful things to me, the housecleaner who started working here when i was small child who has a short temper, the strangers who showed up. i didnt do anything wrong, to anger these people. its only bad people running into at the wrong place or wrong time.

[ZeldaFitz]

What you need to do is banish and shield yourself, and when the time comes get away from your family. We don't have to love or like our family just because we happened to be born into their environment. You must protect yourself at all times. I am sorry if I sound heartless but hell I am sometimes. I haven't spoken to my family in fifteen years and don't regret it at all. We have to look at what is best for our growth, spiritual and physical. I wish i had a solution to your problem but this is the best i can do.

[Andyr]

In laymans terms dead flies are symbolic to the demon Beelzebub and a single dead fly can be used in curses especialy to maintain the curses effect. Its pretty obvious that your housekeeper is the cause of all the problems and does have your parents firmly under her control, She will also know since she been with you for a long time that you and your sister where close and a good way to hurt and tourment you is to do it via your sister...

The incedent with the guys you speak of was most likely just a bad experience and I highly doubt that they cursed anyone at all...

The housekeeper has access to things that are very personal to your family so it would have been easy for her to find even a single strand of your hair and use that in her "rituals/curses" as something like that is needed or even if one of your family members gave her an item that can be used also...

That is a very basic outline without going into the how to and why's of what she is doing...

So the question is what you need to do about it follow Zelda's advice and learn how to shield yourself for now at least, Personaly I would not attempt to banish as yet (sorry Zelda not contradicting you, just stating my oppinion :)) I will look into this further for you fish as it is something I have came accorss before and the solution is not that difficult far as I recall, but for the life of me I cant recall the exact details off the top of my head....

I know its easy for anyone to say that and not produce a workable solution, However I will see what I can find for you in whats left of my notes :)

[ZeldaFitz]

It doesn't hurt to learn the LBRP or the QB but there are other ways, salt around your bed, cleaning the area with ammonia, using banishing incense and banishing oil on the doorways and windows and in your cleaning water. They are very simple but powerful ways of banishing. The most important is learn to shield and learn to shield well.

[Andyr]

With all due respect sorry, but I'm looking at it from the perspective that he's got a sister with demonic possession and a housekeeper that is actively marking her territory and keeping "her servants" well under control, So in light of this I see banishing as really only a temporary measure that will serve to piss the demon off especially and that's not a good idea in my book :p

Been there before lol ...

Jehovah's Witnesses get a hell of a lot of problems with demonic possession 70% of the people I seen it has just been an excuses for their own wrong doings that go against what they practice... The other 30% are the real I am possessed stuff, and in that situation it is very easy to spot any member of the prayer group that does not have 110% faith in the lord they claim to worship... It is this perspective I am looking at :)

[Andyr]

Zelda : Sorry hun I appear to have ruffled your feathers a little to say the least, That was not my intention at all, I do not claim to be an expert and can only speak from what I have experienced.

And by an open discussion of thoughts and practices (like we are doing) we will come up with a solution as a collective body, what one of us may miss or overlook another may spot and maybe even have brainwave where the solution just appears as if by magic (lol sorry couldn't resist the pun)

What makes this difficult is this :

1. It sounds as if fish contacting a Rabbi is out of the question as they are upset with his family ? .... A possible solution to that is a group of educated Jewish peeps to form some sort of prayer group (details would need to discussed of course on how to do that reasonably safely for all involved)

2. fish is either not happy to perform any traditional forms of magic himself or is not in a position to do so.

3. Christian methods are out the window also since he is an orthodox Jew

So Zelda if I ask you nicely will you come back and play (offer your advice and assistance) Pretty please :)

[zero]

with faith and sincerity god grants all the magic you need.

fish I feel for your situation, you have put a conundrum here and restricted the posible solutions. perhaps this is more a test of your faith.

I agree with ZeldaFitz, in that walking away or getting out of a bad situation, but I believe you love your family and this seems to be a new and/or sudden occurrence, my advise would be to endure it, but be the model for your beliefs.

[fish]

im a female first of all , so im a girl (young woman).its just me and sisters, no brothers

i am a modern orthodox jew but, i am very open minded to other religions when it comes to something like this thats very threatening. i dont know if i have faith in rabbis , since ive never known one well and the last one i asked said that demons do not exhist and theres no such thing as a haunting. they tend to toss any supernatural experience away and ask you to see a psychiatrist in hopes that you are just crazy. i have not heard many stories of rabbis handling exorcisms or ghosts this day and age

actually have never heard of one in my area dealing with demons or posession and i live in the most jewish populated area of the us, new york city, theresd many synagogues, jewish schools and religous resources

i have searched and found no one in my religion who deals with this. i went into the kaballah ceneter which is not very authentic when it comes to the jewish religion, they teach christians ,muslims etc.
and the rabbi there either refused to get back to me or hasnt called me back and i left him messages months ago.

i left another message for him2 days ago, he didnt answer

the best they told me there was to keeo sage in the house and burn it, which didnt rid the demons, but there was a positive chain of events and it lowered the negativity a bit
but did not get rid of it or make a big impact


i am open minded to contacting other religions and belifs and letting aqnyone help, even a priest, minster, mosque, whoever

i went into a church but i was too hesitant to talk to a priest so i left, maybe i will try again. but i feel weird since i dont know what to say, hello im not baptised i dont love jesus but will you help me?
i asked one person over the phone and they tried to make me convert and devote my life to jesus so i yessed the person and ended the phone call.
i dont think i want to devote my life to jesus just because i have a one time demon problem. if jesus wants to help then fine, with this thing., but im not coming to church on sundays and wearing a cross just because i have a problem with this

if i go back to a church how do i go about it when talking, since ive never been to a church service

ill wait if that rabbi calls me back, maybe it will take some time

i am not trained to do any magick, since ive never done a skill or read any pagan books. i dont have any experience with pagan activity or occult


i have worn good luck pendants, but thats the closest i came to occult. like an evil eye bracelet, a gemstone that would protect

i have some ability tho, i can sense things and read into things, can understand sometimes what a person is thinking about something in certain circumstances. but im not very skilled in it. im not psychic, maybe just an empath- if you call it that.

maybe i can do some things, but im new to all of this and new to trying to underswtand pagan, i dont understand withcraft and magick? or what its based on


something else i thought of was before all of this started, i tried to attempt suicide, i harmed myself badly, to a point i ended up in the hospital with severe life threatening injuries

maybe whatever it is tried to kill me, or maybe the demons came after me because they thought i was trying to commit suicide. i know in some cases , people have beliefs that suicide victims go to hell, and demons bring them to hell

maybe demons saw i was vulnerable and jumped in....

i get a strong sense that this has to do with hell. maybe what i did to neglect and harm myself

i know its wrong what happened and i dont even think i did it on purpose,it was a few years back right before this all started

[ZeldaFitz]

Zelda : Sorry hun I appear to have ruffled your feathers a little to say the least, That was not my intention at all, I do not claim to be an expert and can only speak from what I have experienced.

And by an open discussion of thoughts and practices (like we are doing) we will come up with a solution as a collective body, what one of us may miss or overlook another may spot and maybe even have brainwave where the solution just appears as if by magic (lol sorry couldn't resist the pun)

What makes this difficult is this :

1. It sounds as if fish contacting a Rabbi is out of the question as they are upset with his family ? .... A possible solution to that is a group of educated Jewish peeps to form some sort of prayer group (details would need to discussed of course on how to do that reasonably safely for all involved)

2. fish is either not happy to perform any traditional forms of magic himself or is not in a position to do so.

3. Christian methods are out the window also since he is an orthodox Jew

So Zelda if I ask you nicely will you come back and play (offer your advice and assistance) Pretty please :)

What happen to my post? If he wants assistance from me, he can pm me at otherkinforums.net.

[Balam_del_Monte]

the term is brujeria, not brucheria. you might want to look into it and santeria just to see if you can catch anything familiar to your housekeeper.

[fish]

its "she"

also how do i contact you at otherkin forms, whats yor name there?


im not really sure its the housekeeper, i feel as if its not her, maybe she added some negativity to my household. but i dont think this is all her, i feel like it comes from another place. dont know tho. maybe it isnt related to witchcraft. maybe its some other thing
she cannot do damage this bad. i dont think she can.

[ZeldaFitz]

No it's not her, she is just a piss ant, there is a demon there, but it is easily rectified, hard but easily rectified. I am Zelda Fitz there and you can pm me and we will take it a step at a time. I have a friend who works with me on this.

[gelly]

I would try to find some Rabbi who is well versed in the Zohar, Jewish Mysticism. They would know more than they let on. I may know someone who can help you though, he is a very experienced magician, who has been involved in occult for 40 old years. He is well versed in Zohar, and Kabbalah. For something like this I think he would charge quite a bit, but maybe you could have a short consultant with him to see what he thinks and what your options are. If you are interested please PM me.

[Fr_CV]

I would try to find some Rabbi who is well versed in the Zohar, Jewish Mysticism. They would know more than they let on. I may know someone who can help you though, he is a very experienced magician, who has been involved in occult for 40 old years. He is well versed in Zohar, and Kabbalah. For something like this I think he would charge quite a bit, but maybe you could have a short consultant with him to see what he thinks and what your options are. If you are interested please PM me.
I don't think anyone should CHARGE for this stuff, thats just absurd.

[ZeldaFitz]

No they should never charge, unless you are a hooker.

[Fr_CV]

No they should never charge, unless you are a hooker.

a spiritual hooker, actually. :P

[ZeldaFitz]

a spiritual hooker, actually. :P

Of course.

[gelly]

Well, I know people who do this for a living, it's their line of work, they invest a lot of time and energy into their profession and well that is their prerogative.

It's just like being a Doctor or a Lawyer. I mean they are professional Magicians.

[Fr_CV]

Well, I know people who do this for a living, it's their line of work, they invest a lot of time and energy into their profession and well that is their prerogative.

It's just like being a Doctor or a Lawyer. I mean they are professional Magicians.
Sadly, i do not believe in professional magicians besides the sleight of hand types. To be a real magician, you need balance between exoteric and esoteric. Otherwise your mind made stories will just go out there... so to speak.

[gelly]

There are professionals in this line of business. Professional magicians and alchemists. They are very good with these things. There was this guy who wrote a couple of books, and he was profiled on wiki and he called himself a professional demon hunter. I was trying to find his name, but couldn't.

Amazon.com: Stephen Skinner: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle (http://www.amazon.com/Stephen-Skinner/e/B001HOA5US/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1)
Stephen Skinner I would say is a professional Magician

[Fr_CV]

It is different in different traditions. Vodoun workers and root workers often charge for their work.

Yes, but saying thats the only thing they do would be quite absurd.

[Crom]

Sounds like a typical psychiatric illness to me and the cure is some kind of antipsychotic

[ZeldaFitz]

Maybe, but then maybe not!

[fish]

no there is no psychiatric illness, this person does paranormal things

i am here again.

[Azaziel]

i am a religous person, im jewish

what can i do, to keep myself safe, what do i need to know? how do demons interact with humans and why?i am very scared and didnt try to deal with this. ive nevr studied demonology or tried any witchcraft. i am sort of against that and i view demons as bad

It occurs to me that the problem may lie with your own psyche rather than your sister's. Have you seen a therapist?

[fish]

ive seen a psychologist and i dont have any mental problems. its been verified that i have no psychological or psychiatric problems or disorders. and my judgement is very good.

so this is real, i just need help with it

[Azaziel]

Can you post a photo of the demonic seal she has on her door?

[Thetalpha]

Another way of driving demons out, that is coming to my mind, is reading the ten commandments in Hebrew. Do it over and over. If your sister, or rather the demon, starts to scream, you're successful. However, you'll have to do it til she's unconscious, then continue saying it as you drag her into a house of god, i.e. a synagogue or church.

[Azaziel]

Another way of driving demons out, that is coming to my mind, is reading the ten commandments in Hebrew. Do it over and over. If your sister, or rather the demon, starts to scream, you're successful. However, you'll have to do it til she's unconscious, then continue saying it as you drag her into a house of god, i.e. a synagogue or church.

I think his demon is that he wants to be incestuous. Perhaps he just needs a girlfriend.

[Thetalpha]

Who are you referring to by 'he'?

[Azaziel]

fish, of course

[Thetalpha]

Fish is a woman.

[Azaziel]

Fish is a woman.

I can't imagine why any woman would want to call herself 'fish'.

[Thetalpha]

Well, German "Backfisch" is an old slang word for young woman... ...I guess they have it in Yiddish too.

Also, if you'd pay attention to what she writes, she already wrote like 10 times that she was a woman. Also, could you stop being a major fucktard and stop alleging people things?

God where the fucking hell am I? Most Annoying, Ignorant and Unfriendly Jackass in the Universe Ever... ...Awards? I guess I'm nominated but bing bing bing we have our votes and OH the winner is... ...Azayyyy-zeee-ellllll! Seriously, if you would take just a moment thinking of the real world instead of the giant orgy that is constantly taking place in your head you would realize that not everybody wants to **** everybody at every given time and that the world isn't populated by lesbian incestors with kippahs. And you'd also notice that you are straining peoples' nerves to their maximum extents and that someday you'll open the door and whoever stands there will painfully strangle you to death, and that someone is probably going to be your own mother because even she can't stand you so SHUT THE FUCKING HELL UP, DICKHEAD!!!

What is going on here? Watch the language please! I will let it go, and I am not going to clean it up, but next time, insult without the curse words.

[Azaziel]

How Freudian of you. Have you heard of Ritalen?

[Thetalpha]

No, seriously dude. You have less social competence than a two year old.

[Azaziel]

No, seriously dude. You have less social competence than a two year old.

I find two year olds quite amicable, actually. They are without anger issues.

[ZeldaFitz]

[QUOTE=Thetalpha;22427]Well, German "Backfisch" is an old slang word for young woman... ...I guess they have it in Yiddish too.

Also, if you'd pay attention to what she writes, she already wrote like 10 times that she was a woman. Also, could you stop being a major fucktard and stop alleging people things?

God where the fucking hell am I? Most Annoying, Ignorant and Unfriendly Jackass in the Universe Ever... ...Awards? I guess I'm nominated but bing bing bing we have our votes and OH the winner is... ...Azayyyy-zeee-ellllll! Seriously, if you would take just a moment thinking of the real world instead of the giant orgy that is constantly taking place in your head you would realize that not everybody wants to **** everybody at every given time and that the world isn't populated by lesbian incestors with kippahs. And you'd also notice that you are straining peoples' nerves to their maximum extents and that someday you'll open the door and whoever stands there will painfully strangle you to death, and that someone is probably going to be your own mother because even she can't stand you so SHUT THE FUCKING HELL UP, DICKHEAD!!!

What is going on here? Watch the language please! I will let it go, and I am not going to clean it up, but next time, insult without the curse words.

[Azaziel]

Well I would say a two year old has more common sense then Azaziel just my thoughts Thetalpha

really don't see that much input from him of any substance but then if I give money I can do what I want

Kiss kiss.

[Thetalpha]

What is going on here? Watch the language please! I will let it go, and I am not going to clean it up, but next time, insult without the curse words.

Being completely honest; is insinuating incestuous wishes on someone really any less worse than calling someone a d*ckhead?

[Azaziel]

Being completely honest; is insinuating incestuous wishes on someone really any less worse than calling someone a d*ckhead?

Only if you are opposed to being incestuous.

[Azaziel]

My ASS My ASS !!!!!!

Hummel Hummel, Mors Mors! :)

[Thetalpha]

What? You just said,

Bumblebee Bumblebee, Death Death

WTF?

[Azaziel]

Hummel Hummel - Mors Mors is an old saying in Hamburg. It is attributed to an old history of the 18th century. In that time when there hasn´t been a canalisation system yet there where people who carried the potable water to the houses. One of these water carrier was Johann Wilhelm Bentz, a quite crabby and grimly person. He lived in a flat where a city soldier named Christian Hummel lived before, a very nice person, favored by the street children. So, every time when the water carrier passed by the children shouted: "Hummel Hummel" to bother him. As he couldn´t defend very well against these children with his high weight of water (unto 30 liters) on his shoulders, he just answered with "Mors Mors". This is the short form of an old saying in the regional dialect : "Klei mi an Mors". ...what might be traduced with "Sod you" or more directly "lick my ****".
Nowadays it is a traditional hanseatic greeting form ;-)))

What is the origin of the old Hamburg (Germany) greeting "Hummel, hummel' and response "Morse, morse"? - Yahoo! Answers (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071230130818AAnhYPt)

[ZeldaFitz]

Being completely honest; is insinuating incestuous wishes on someone really any less worse than calling someone a d*ckhead?

You have the right to voice your opinion. It is why I did not clean it up.

[Azaziel]

What is "cartoon magick"?

[Thetalpha]

Apalling Middle Low German skills, though, Azaziel. It would be "Leck mij am Ors"

Anyway, interesting.

@Magi: Apparently, that's the way it works.

[ZeldaFitz]

I think he means Chaos!

[Thetalpha]

No, cartoon magick is pretentious magick... ...looks great, isn't useful. Like a cartoon in most cases :)

[Azaziel]

What sort of magick do you consider useful then?

[Thetalpha]

Magick that works and isn't only there for the sake of showing off :p

[Azaziel]

As in Love, perhaps?

[Azaziel]

putting more into the ritual then one can do for the good of all and not for the selfish needs of the ego

I think that is love, yes.

[Thetalpha]

You don't have a warped sense of humor, Azaziel. You have a warped sense of just about anything! Follow your own advice and visit a psychiatrist. Or are you scared of being declared a loony in the grace of Hasselhoff?

[Azaziel]

You don't have a warped sense of humor, Azaziel. You have a warped sense of just about anything! Follow your own advice and visit a psychiatrist. Or are you scared of being declared a loony in the grace of Hasselhoff?

We are all a little crazy.

[Azaziel]

well one can see the level of Magick that you are achieving if you are just in it for the stroking of the ego and that seems the path one has chosen

Actually, love is about the dissolution of the ego. That is all our paths.

[Thetalpha]

I beg to differ. Although I shall not explain why since your nescience sustains me.

[Azaziel]

I beg to differ. Although I shall not explain why since your nescience sustains me.

I'd like to have this debate and hear what you differ about. Please continue?

[Azaziel]

you must look through the good eye I said nothing about love maybe you should put the beer down you can see better then and then the clarity can come forth

or even better Mike put down the joint

I am well aware that you didn't mention love, but I changed the conversation a while back. Do try to keep up.

[Azaziel]

well t seems you changed the conversation because you couldn't keep up

That must be it.

[Bokeh]

Half this thread has now been rendered useless. Nice work.

ANYWAY back to the problem at hand.

Fish:
There are a lot of things that don't quite fit with what you're saying.

You're an orthodox jew, yet you keep referring to Satan. Do you have a good reason for this?

It took you many posts, with many words, but you've ended up circling around a number of issues that you have (in your own words) blacked out. Ie:

a suicide attempt on your part
other family members acting strangely - swaying unconsciously and your dad also cursing you.
a ouija board incident


It sounds like you need to work some stuff out for yourself here.


Are you trying anything we suggest? If so, what have been the results?

Please provide photos of any symbols your sister has drawn.

I made some recommendations in the other thread on the same topic. They still stand, but having read this I have some new ones to add:

move out of the house and away from your sister. Easy. You've already said you're at least 22. Just remove yourself from the situation.
read Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah (I know I've already recommended this at other times, but I can't recommend it enough). This book covers a lot of ground in a framework you are already partially familiar with. Stop saying "I don't know any of this" and start learning. It's been going on for long enough that you should have at least a beginner's understanding of how magick works.
work through your psychological issues with someone you can talk to (either a professional or friend, not a forum full of strangers). This sounds like a combination of both inner and outer turmoil. A basic concept in magick is that the mental and physical are reflections of each other. What is going on mentally for you that is reflected in this experience?
seek help from adept magicians. Maybe Zelda is doing this already. Get someone to check out the situation on the astral plane. That might provide some important insights.


It doesn't sound like we can do any more for you than we already have. Read all the advice (skip the childish bickering that went on for 3 pages) and ask yourself: "do I want a solution, or do I prefer having the problem?"

[Goth_Queen]

finally we are back on topic.

But to be honest, I find it hard to believe that this is a real possession. I'm a Theistic Satanist, and frankly I just think that Satan and His Demons would have something else better to do than just possess some random girl. Fish, you think that this Demon is very powerful, like under Satan, right? And if there really is a Demon involved then its probably just a lower hierarchy, thats a part of the Goetic legions or something, controlled by one of the 72 Spirits? Just giving my two cents.

[grbree]

1.from what ive read this bullshit your lying fish i mean for christs sake even your name screams this is fake but ill treat this issue as it's real just incase it is i could just be being an jaded as*h**e right now. 2.IT IS NOT SATAN your sis you and your whole family would most likely be dead by now and i agree with goth_queen high up demons in my experience dont give a damn bout humans cept' for the fact they can use us to cause damage on a grand scale 1000s of deaths at a time, so if it was what you think it was someplace near wear you live would have experienced something tat racked up a big death toll. 3.youve been told this before by other ppl let me reitterate them do some f@#$%ng research your first resource would probbly be this site, my own personal reccomendations are the legemeton ,grimoirum verum if you can find it try estoricarchives.com. just try learn all you can on controlling and binding spirits, like bokeh said get out of the house as soon as you can and if you want learn what you can and try to help her but do it out of the house if it's a demon it will know your doing stuff like and instead letting do it and take any chances it might just beat you into a coma.