Thread: How To

"To Become, to progress, to hunger, to fuel the Inner Flame without my own emotions playing against True Will."

How do you view the relationship between your emotions, intellect, and True Will?

"Unlike the RHP, I follow basic LHP principals focusing on Individualism, Self as God, and the older darker primal forces of spirituality. In easier words, Luciferian."

This is interesting: What is the "Self" to you? Moreover, by "darker primal forces" do you mean instinctual forces or something in one way or another, significantly different? While I do also place a premium on individualism, I personally cannot realistically appropriate for myself the traditional attributes of a deity, nor have I ever been acquainted with or heard of anyone who credibly could. Perhaps I am biased here, as I do lean towards a theological model--although let me be clear, it does not originate in a commitment to the worn out old religions, but rather a theophanic experience from my adolescence that I reintegrated into memory during an intensive regimen of ritual work back in 2006.


"What you said about NeoPlatoism resonates well with me. Do you have any solid resources on that philosophy?"

Fortunately, there has been a recent surge of interest in Neoplatonism and related subfields over the last decade or so among classicists, thus there is a quickly accumulating corpus of both secondary literature and translations of primary texts. If you would like to get your feet wet by reading primary text material, then I would recommend either Plotinus' Enneads or a compilation of excerpts from the whole spectrum of authors recently released by John Dillon, I think it is called Neoplatonism: Introductory Readings. If, however, you are looking to first pique your interest further before making a study commitment (the nuances of Neoplatonic thought are notoriously difficult), then I would recommend connecting your inquiries to your already established magical interests, in which case, I cannot recommend too highly Iamblichus' On the Mysteries--I have to say it, De Mysteriis is, in my opinion, the single best theoretical treastise on high magic ever written, anywhere, by anyone (I should probably also note that Ken Wilber, who is otherwise obsessively sympathetic with Eastern traditions, refers to Plotinus as the greatest mystical philosopher of all time). I think at Twilit Grotto you can find Talyor's largely unintelligible translation of De Mysteriis (the Clark, Dillon, Hershbell translation is in many ways superb, but it is not online), as well as a decent translation of Proclus' Elements of Theology--though I do not recommend the latter as a starting text.

If, however, you would like first to familiarize yourself with the basic ideas from secondary literature, I think you might be able to find Whitaker's Neoplatonism online at archive.org--but you could also just go to the online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and look up 'Neoplatonism'. (But of course, you are already familiar with at least some philosophical principles drawn from Neoplatonic authors, as Neoplatonism serves as the philosophical foundation for Christian, Islamic, and Jewish mysticism.)

Thanks for those resources.

Once one has realized True Will it is vital to align mind/body/spirit with that. To me, True Will is like True Love. We go through many relationships before we find that True Love. We go through many "courses of life" until we find the destined course which is True Will. And as said, "then the Universe will throw it's weight behind you." We must continually Become. Whether this be achieving in the mundane, or learning, or growing spiritually. Self is everything that composes me. Primarily the Core Self/Inner "Higher" Self, or "God Self".

I don't recognize a Prime God. There is only the Universe as a Whole with the many currents within. I am the Goddess of my own Life and World. I respect external spirits/deities as currents/deific masks to assist/aid/grow stronger from. They are both teachers and sources of power. The darker forces I refer to are darker deities such as Hekate, Lilith, Ahriman, Akoman, Lamashtu, the Tree of Death and Qliphoth therein etc. Primarily the structure of the Order of Phosphorus.

You are welcome!

I apologize if I seem unnecessarily disputatious; I have already been so regarded in these forums But as we have received this notion of a True Will, as far as I can gather, from Aleister Crowley--and keeping in mind his apparent aversion for interpretative analysis--I am just always so curious, What is this "True Will" that is spoken of, and does a sensible interpretation of the evidence support our conceptualization of such a seemingly grandiose principle?

"I don't recognize a Prime God. There is only the Universe as a Whole with the many currents within."

I myself do not recognize any sort of "Prime God," as existing beyond our conceptualization but, again, the conceptualization implies an essential unity to the cosmos, in refutation of the seeming random happenstance of the ordinary course of events. Thus, and I tentatively suggest that only thus, can we conceive of a Providence extending an overarching meaning through the course of the mundane, the "events." However, I did say that I do not recognize a Monotheos existing beyond the level of our own conceptual projections:

(The following is a memory that was reintegrated during a strenuous program of Liber Helios, The Star Ruby and Sapphire, Liber Reguli, an Aurum Solis lunar prayer, prayers to Hekate Soteira, and a disciplined raja yoga regimen that I undertook at full intensity from 2006 to 2007--it was like a full-time job!)

I was eleven years old, walking home from school in Pearl River, New York. We had just finished the fall of Rome in my sixth-grade, world history class. All of a sudden I became aware of a "collection of minds" represented in a mental space above the the "space" that my body inhabits when I mentally conceive of it, whenever I do so and for whatever reason. There was no feeling of awe or splendor; my attitude was like the pure intellectual detachment of the mathematician. At this time, I had undergone no training in the occult, nor did I have any literary familiarity therewith. However, I said to myself without reflecting, "It's the Gods!". At the vocalization of the plural "Gods," the process of association brought my mind to the Greek gods. As soon as I conceived of the Greek gods, my mind must have, for some reason or another, focused on Artemis enough so that I actually thought of Artemis with such sustained focus that I saw her projected into space before me. But my mind had the template of the "minds" above me, so I then said to myself, "But these are not images in human form, they are most like my own thinking, only grander." For some reason, after this thought, I said to myself, "Wait, but there is only one God." But this itself was, indeed, a projection, and Those above my own, somatically localized thinking were somehow, unified, but not one and only one--so I thought of what exactly could be their distinguishing feature, but every distinction I made was immediately projected before me in the form of an image, and being not identical to Them, was immediate refuted. It's like everyone "one" was a unity with every other "one," and yet, They were not only one in the sense of being only, as opposed to not only, one--it wasn't a mindgame though, they were, somehow, distinct; it's just that, again somehow, they were more independent of my experience of them, more so than even the physical world. But suddenly, I felt this great "dark" infinity behind the physical objects of perception, and I was filled with a great dread. But it came to me that They controlled everything, even me. Nonetheless I said to myself: "Any moment I am going to die"--the thought was localized in my heart; this was my first recollectable panic attack; but I didn't panic in my behavior, for the thought happened so deeply in my heart that the panic was cut off from the actionability of my body. I panicked but I still perceived Them. I am not sure, at the current time, of how I drew my conclusions, but it soon occurred to me that if I could just stop my thoughts, everything would be ok, I would ascend to Them. I then thought about whether I could become Them, but immediately I was confronted with the thought, that as long as I could be not Them, I could never be Them. But I could ascend to a greater contact with them--I needed to stop my thoughts, but the thoughts kept coming from my body. The thought of a Hindu guru crossed my imaginal field, but I was privileged no special identity; I saw myself walking with my shoulders hunched without knowing the future, without having a set identity. So I tried violently to repress my thoughts, and the image of Christ manifested in a similar fashion as Artemis did earlier. It just wasn't the way. Then I thought of the Sun and the thought of the happy feeling, but I was too bold and ambitious--my attention was centered in my head. I resolved myself to not knowing the path, but I would be content with the resolution that if I could ever find a way for me to stop my thoughts, then everything would be "okay." Some other thoughts intervened that I do not remember. However, after these, I do remember perceiving a line of white light (on a lower plane than intellect) that descended vertically through my body and kept me in contact with the Minds. That being a human being meant that I was living on many ontological levels at once. I also remember thinking to myself whether these minds were subjective and limited to me--were "mine"--or whether they were objective. My conclusion was that they repeated themselves individually in every human being, but the absolutely same Minds were present, and thus were universal. The hand that appeared as if made from sunlight stroked through the top of my head, with the tacit admonishion that everything was going to be "okay." It wasn't a mind, and it wasn't me, but it seemed to care for me in a way, that still, in some way, didn't recognize me--in the light of It, my deepest sorrows seemed mere childish strategies for winning over the attention of . . . uh . . . the Gods (?).

"I am the Goddess of my own Life and World."

Again, I do not want to come off as contentious--and I only insist here because you come across as appreciating the dialectal method of philosophical examination, and hence the utility of argumentative opposition--but what does it even mean for a human being to be a god or a goddess?

Kinda like meditation just lay or sit in the lotus position which ever is best for you to relax an be comfortable but will not fall asleep. Then clear your mind of all thoughts this is harder than it seems what i do is to concentrate on something like a dot over my head while my eyes are closed and by keeping my attention on this dot my mind clears sure there will be thoughts go through your head but just recognize there there and focuse your attention back on the dot then invision (My method) your body being pulled on by by a sttring from the floor really hard pulling your astral body out of the phyical one imagery is key here you must be able to see it actually happening or else it will not happen. Hope this helped you out some good luck to you.

Peace!

I dont know what you mean by your post Bullfrogrules but i did have a character named grimious on diablo and if your just being a smart ass it was just my method and i figured i would share if you dot like it i dont really care.

Well this is day 3 of my "Learn to Astral Project" program.

Today I've spent a full hour trying different techniques, to get the hell out of my body, and none of em worked.

Most I've ever seen (well heard) to happen was on day 1, when I heard a strange sound, like the bubbles of when you pour a glass of coke, the sound coming from that foam. Or when the waves hitting the beach are retreating, that similar sound.

So far I've tried
- the rope technique (visualise or feel climbing up a rope, attached to the ceiling)
- the physical anchor technique, with 3-4 different objects (visualise and feel an object in the room, either on the ceiling or in front of the bed, beyond my legs, and mentally grab that object, pulling on it, to break free of the flesh body)
- staring into the darkness behind the eyelids, while mentally repeating my name, so I don't fall asleep (what worked on day 1 pretty well and started creating the auditory hallucinations, which are then supposed to be followed by separation, according to some articles)

And so far for day 3. Looking forward to this evening, for other attempts, and then day 4, until I get the hang of this.

I anyone knows some other techniques to try, do share

I never heard of staring into darkness behind the eyelids i can't wait to try that. But to as far as the arguement has gone it is really a matter of what works for you. If you want to take the medication to stop depression then do so sometimes it will work sometimes it will not. It is all a matter of opinon no reason to argue. Accept what the other thinks and let him think so wheather you think it to be right or wrong or left or up and down at the same time. It is all a matter of opinon and belif so let it rest at so.