Thread: Reason and Logos

Well regarding what hell is there are multiple theories as to what it could be. I have heard of an alternate scenario where hell was just eternal darkness.

as far as what you are suggesting of malevolent beings and mythological places its almost like we are forced to acknowledge that such beings and places exist even though we have not been there.

I must admit when it comes to the supernatural and paranormal it is difficult to put logic in with the situation at hand.

as to the existance of spirit beings or demons and angels and the like, I would like for you to know that earth is a place where microorganisms exist, and some are beings of light. just look at this scientific american cover story
Are Aliens Among Us?: Scientific American
I don't even know any reputable spirit being that would sit down and be killed, biopsied/cut apart in a lab. they are more intelligent than that and you, if you want to catch them, would have to grow something like chemically treated elfwort, and even then, how could you even test for it? if they are made out of light or somethinng else. when we die, lsd the molecule that keeps us alive breaks apart, and the being is no longer alive. they could probably dodge you based on this as THEY are not material. to speak of this in regards to lsd use you are not alive truly unless you take it, just as the greek mysteries explained so dearly, that walking around in the material world is an opiate illusion and the true realities are to be found within the soul, where does the reading of a book take place but within this place of the soul.
this is the fallacy of the newtonian materialist science establishment. some things are common sense to exist which are not accepted by science

I know in some hell or part of hell, the other way from the actual afterlife, the place beyond earth for when junkies get trapped behind the moon there are red cats with poison claws, purple emporer scorpions, and vicious fast black armored rock crab that also go on land.

as far as reason and logos are concerned, being unreasonable proves a detachment from the logos, or divine source of energy/life. much science, which includes such things as racist 1800's biologists and modern day psychiatry is definitly out of line with the source of all. you may still appear reasonable to yourself when out of step with the divine, but being out of line with reality has many facets/paths that a person could possibly be out of line with reality with, as long as you define reality as what is actually real, not illusions that society throws at you that are also out of sync with the logos. what is right isn't what is presented as real, some of the time. you have to learn to discriminate with reason

the word Logos actually infers to "divine reason" or the Mind of God, as discussed by Heraclitus around 500 BC, about 200 years ago before Aristotle began talking about "Physic". The term has been cut down to imply "word" and the term "word" has been cut down to mean "jumble of letters producing sound". Searching for empirical evidence of a paranormal event is something people have half assed for centuries. I've seen so much video, so many news articles, so much published material, and had so many personal encounters, that I wonder - seriously, what is it that people were offered in exchange for turning their heads away from common sense?

Trading superstition for Science is only trading one magical system for another. Science has already capitalized on several aspects of Alchemy (became chemistry), Herbalism (became pharmacology), Numerology (became statistics) and Astrology (became astronomy). But if you do your homework, you will realize their system has some serious flaws. Even Karl Popper pointed them out.

I think you will find it impossible for physics to study metaphysics - even aristotle made them separate books.

Metaphysics can mean beyond physics, Epicurean atomism used to be metaphysics, now we've even gone past the Bohr model into Schroedinger wave equations and all that jazz.

Metaphysics can also mean "beyond natural", nature is essentially the system of the universe. Beyond that system, some say, lies God, the world of Forms or various other things.

The truth is, there isn't much point using any sort of empirical inquiry into what's "beyond nature" - all inquiry we would use to study it would be empirical, as we're bound by inductive reasoning to discover supposed first principals.

We have a foothold in statistical correlations, but even they're limited by our perceptions - the idea of studying a system outside of logic with logic is flawed by definition.

Originally Posted by Gazeeboh

I was just wondering how you would go about explaining your beliefs to an materialistic person, an atheist, or whatever. You know the type. "Science is all that matters and anything else is a mental disorder." I didn't think we had any people like that here so I did it myself.

Mostly I don't bother trying to explain my beliefs to them. Occasionaly I will point out that they should try out some occult rituals and see their results if I think they are the type who might benefit from it, but for a hardcore rational person, I don't know that they would get anything out of it anyway (as opposed to more emotional types)

Atheism isn't a philosophy that works for me, and I don't get any benefits from following it or practicing it. I feel atheism places too much of a negative value judgment on the unseen, mysticism and the occult, so I would explain my philosophy as being in opposition to that.

The most you can really do with those types of people, I think it get them to respect the fact that people are different and not everyone will agree with them about what they see as important in life.

Originally Posted by Gazeeboh

Now your getting it.

Chaos and perception. The world is a hallucination brought on by brain chemicals. Nothing is true, everything is perception.

Does that mean that I don't exist?

Can you prove that you exist? It isn't possible to offer proof of a negative like non existence but, most people have trouble proving they exist at any given moment. Your existence cannot be verified in any contiguous way. You may be a figment of my imagination and when you leave you fade into oblivion until recalled by my fertile imagination. Even your physicality is not undeniable proof of existence.

I think from a psychological perspective, if you are going so far as to create an account and then say something like that to us... then clearly some form of you believes - that or someone screwed you over and was an occultist or pagan or satanist or what-the-hell-ever and by condemning us, this is your means of going and getting over what problems you have.

Maybe you're just curious.

Maybe you don't have a life.

So why are you asking us this?

sir, I am a man of knowledge and science. But also am I that of a mystic shall we say. Sir, you ask me to bring proof into the conversation that spirits are real. I give you the evidence of e.v.p.s, e.m.f. detectors, K2 meters, the interaction of spirits with the living captured even on film by popular t.v. shows. Sir, you ask me to summon a demon in a lab and see what happens, sir that has already been performed and to reveal some substantially shocking results. Maybe not a demon but a spirit of some sort.
A man of science such as yourself then would also know of the psychological affects of symbols and certain situations and their effects on the brain. It is shown that even if not actually working a spell of a sort, but you think you have, then you have. I accept that perhaps what i am doing is all in my head, sir. But if it is, then my brain is capable of some pretty amazing things. The average human only uses ten percent of their brain, there is so much potential waiting to be unlocked! But what if we whom are of believers have achieved in the unlocking of that potential. Whether it through ritual, prayer, meditation, or visualization, which by your facts found in studies no doubt show that those kinds of practices lead individuals to be smarter, and be more capable of a lot of things those who do not are not. I do not talk those things as some chore but an actual engagement with pure belief int hose things that cause a firestorm of activity in the brain to be possible. I do not believe that the power of the supernatural lies outside the mind but within ourselves. We are man, a creature hailed even in the myths of the divine beings we are so fond of. We are man who are capable of things beyond gods and spirits. I am myself, my own man, my own ruler, my own god and it is my choice to befriend the imagination and power of it and those within it. The essence of me is the essence of the gods i do not come from them, they come from within me.