Thread: Golden Dawn

Originally Posted by Belasko

Actually any magickian worth his weight has been a member in the GD at one time or another. The HOGD is based on Blavatsky's teachings and then some.

Actually, the idea she got teachings from tibet is laughable at best... I practiced tibetan buddhism from 14-17 before i moved to western magick. Honestly, Tibet has no notion of the astral besides the traditional hindu view of devas/asuras and so on.

And also, yes, I can read tibetan, and have practiced tibetan buddhism under Khentrul Lodro T'haye Rinpoche... his website can be found easily.

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PS. I do not mix systems, so my practice of Buddhism is on hold.

Surprise, surprise, and what a surprise it will be hey Belasko? LOL.

Originally Posted by Belasko

Laughable, that woman was responsible for most of the orders that are out there today. I think you better do your research, as most orders and true Adepts would not be here if it wasn't for Blavatsky. Max Theron and Blavatsky were what is real in Occultism, not these orders who stole from her and posted as their own. Regardie has quoted her, Fortune has quoted her, Crowley has quoted her. You will find this out if you are accepted in the HSOM, I would withhold judgement till you begin your studies.

No, i am not saying what she is saying is WRONG.

What i am saying is that she didnt have any real knowledge of tibetan buddhism. Of occultism, I am sure that she had very good knowledge of that.

Have you read any of her works? She traveled to Shamballa, and had a grasp on it all. I am joining the HOGD because they have derived from her teachings and have the secret papers no other order has.

Originally Posted by MrK

Another person who did all this traveling was Gurdjieff. Also responsible for spreading the New Age poison in to western magic. Mixing styles that should have stayed unmixed or if mixed should have been mixed by people who understood them.

You don't understand at all do you? If you are not interested in the Golden Dawn there is a forum that likes trolls and bullsh..t artists. I suggest you go there. The only new age person I see here is you. Please go and peddle your rhetoric somewhere else. This is for people who are truly interested in the secret teachings, there is a diner down the street, I suggest you go there and use a menu for your magick.

Originally Posted by Belphebe

Have you read any of her works? She traveled to Shamballa, and had a grasp on it all. I am joining the HOGD because they have derived from her teachings and have the secret papers no other order has.

If you knew anything at all, Shambala is not an actual place. .

Shambhala (Tib. bde 'byung) is a Sanskrit term meaning swayam + bhala meaning self benefited or swayam + bala meaning self powered. Commonly it is understood to be a "place of peace/tranquility/happiness". Shakyamuni Buddha is said to have taught the Kalachakra tantra on request of King Suchandra of Shambhala; the teachings are also said to be preserved there. Shambhala is believed to be a society where all the inhabitants are enlightened, actually a Buddhist Pure Land, centered by a capital city called Kalapa.

any serious buddhist, western or otherwise does not consider shambala to be real. She may have visited it astrally, but not physically.

Anyways, that put aside, I side with Mr.K on this one.

I believe it is the ingenuity, the ceremonies, the FIRST magickal order, the effects of the rituals, and the knowledge lectures make it the best because it is the FIRST thing ceremonial magickians hear of, and possibly, want to join.

I have some of my own reasons. Its GREAT for beginners and the advanced.

Are we having fun yet? LOL.

"I only feel alive when i'm covered in polka dots and taco sauce."

and in any case, yes, we are. The thing here is about the Golden Dawn itself, and not the contributing factors to it - who cares of blavatsky had anything to do with the GD? Quite clearly they are not quoting here in any source i have seen. So, let us move on to say, Westcott and woodman.

Originally Posted by MrK

Yes Westcott was clearly the most knowledgeable among the founders and had access to a lot of material from SRIA. The history and fighting in the order is quite interesting though I think

So, how did the SRIA? Is the GD based off the SRIA? Your view?


In my opinion, the GD got inspiration from masonry, and the SRIA - but it is its own thing as far as magick goes.