Thread: Golden Dawn

Originally Posted by Isabeau

Do you have an English Translation regarding your blog?

I have a google translator button on right hand side bar, just under the G.D. symbol. I append the link to that: Google Translate

Besides, half of the blog postings are in English. I'm not planning to translate the Swedish essays by myself. Sorry for that.

Originally Posted by Isabeau

You do realize that David Griffin has the secret papers from Mathers, and hence is where all the feuds were started.

Yes, I believe you are correct in your analysis. I myself represent the HOGD/A+O in Sweden and Scandinavia and have been a member of the same order since 1995 when everything still were sub rosa. In fact, David Griffin were my Hierophant through the Outer Order, and my Chief Adept when I was "vaulted". I also were there when David received his lineage from the Paris Temple, and all the documentation that followed with this. I was active in the implemantation of the A.O. Rituals in the Swedish Temples. All hell broke loose in the G.D. community after that, when it came out into the open.

I'm only saying this that you and everyone else will understand that I don't base my opinions on mere rumors and second (or third) hand sources. I have been involved in this process since its beginning.

In Licht, Leben und Liebe,
S:.R:.

The Golden Dawn is definitely not my best area. However, I guess the whole thrust of the group - as well as the source of its problems - was the initial, 'transmission,' document of S.L. Mathers. It was supposed to have been a direct transmission from the great Rosicrucians, and many suspected that the document was a fraud. In defense of Mathers, he was known to have some pretty uncanny abilities.

Also - I just wanted to note that G.I. Gurdjieff was a self-admitted, 'sly man.' He was an incredible mischief maker, as well as a real scoundrel. One time he was making toasts to a rather useless student group, and after five or six toasts, he stood up and toasted the whole group as, 'a pack of idiots.' I will remember at some point to turn up the bookmark for an excellent French website concerning his heir, a French ballet teacher named Jeanne de Salzmann.

Originally Posted by Gemnus32

However, I guess the whole thrust of the group - as well as the source of its problems - was the initial, 'transmission,' document of S.L. Mathers. It was supposed to have been a direct transmission from the great Rosicrucians, and many suspected that the document was a fraud.

Actually it was William Wynn Westcott who is accredited to having been fraudelent concerning his authority of starting the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. What you are referring to is the (in)famous Fräulein Sprengel letters in which Westcott purportetly is corresponding with a German Adept from the Temple of 'Licht, Leben und Liebe'. This was done in 1887. It was Mathers that in 1900 made the allegation agains Westcott that it all was a freud.

S.L. MacGregor Mathers himelf had already in 1891 claimed to have forged his own link with the "Third Order", through a "Secret Chief" whom he only knew by the motto of 'Lux E Tenebris'. The result from this contact we now have as the Golden Dawn Theurgical system as contained in the Rituals and Ceremony of the Adeptus Minor 5=6 Grade.

In Licht, Leben und Liebe
S:.R:.

Sincerus:

I appreciate the reply. The Golden Dawn is not my best area - like I said. Also - I am neither an initiate or a self-initiate into the Golden Dawn method (system?). Just as an aside note - I have read some of the works of S.L. MacMathers, and I was very impressed with the lucidity of the texts. Also, I definitely recognize that the Golden Dawn was - and continues to be - a landmark in the esoteric, even though my own work is in a different area.

Originally Posted by ZeldaFitz

It has been around since the 1800's, and most people think it died out in the 1950's, which it did not. The teachings are out there for all who are interested. It is not for everyone, especially people who want a quick result and are not into discipline and hard work.

Hahahaha not for anyone if that is accurate, surely. Is there a Enochian sub forum here, i couldn't find it me darlings. Anyway i'm new if you never knew. I'll just enjoy me brew and get to know you lot, it'll be cool to hear what you got. I got naught.