Thread: Reality Manipulation Theory.

This is a great topic. Thetalpha, I liked your breakdown, did you pick that up from another source or yourself?

I am not opposing the theory that such can happen. I have never met anyone who can do this. The closest I've found is Don Juan in the Castaneda series.

Solipsism is a fascinating paradigm. As a Hermetic Axiom states, "All is Mind". There is a thin line between our Psyche and the Universe At Large. Personally I believe "magick" is the highest form of Reason/Logic and that the two are not oppositional.

Very good point on that last post. Acknowledging Duality, there will be things within our power to affect and things outside of our power. There are laws, similar to physics. Imagine the world without physics, it would be madness. Thus is a world without some sort of restriction. Limitation can be just as important as being limitless. The lesser evolved Ego wants to be able to affect anything at any time. With that comes anxiety and depression. People who try to affect what is outside of their control.

Again, great rundown Thetalpha on the "levels".

All is based in the Psyche.

I apologize if in the following I come across as disputatious, but as the reasoning process progresses dialectically, one explicates a theory by calliing into question and thence investigating one's initial hypotheses, rather than resting content with one's first rough statements on a matter.


"Instant manipulation of the Universe is possible at a high level of mastery of the Law of Attraction"

Or so we are supposing for the sake of speculation, but I personally cannot recall a single, authentic historical figure to whom such ability was ascribed (Given the fact that the veracity of even the historical assumptions behind the Exodus story are now considered extremely doubtful--e.g. the slavery of the Hebrews in Egypt--it would be preposterous to accept the reality of the miracles accounted therein with anything more than the playful suspension of disbelief with which we entertain any fairytale.). Similarly, in regard to "Jehoshua ben-Yussaf" we again uncover problems with the very historicity of an all-powerful thaumaturge; so we'll move on.

"Good mind-control, 3rd dimension: Very quick alteration of the Universe, usually within a week at the latest of applying Law of Attraction and/or Magick. My level."

By the "Law of Attraction," do you mean simply positively focusing your attention on what you want? If not, please describe the method for me.

"Almost instant alteration of little things, eg. transforming water to wine. Control of the way energy changes into, through and out of form. Jesus."

Or the gospel writers could have simply added that miracle, in their eager need to force an accordance of the story of their messiah with old testament prophecy.

"Full mind-control, 3d: Deity level. Instant alteration of anything at all. Even instant destruction or creation of entire galaxy clusters."

But through what means can you even imagine this happening? Does one concentrate so intently on a new and self-designed galaxy that it just suddenly manifests along with the necessary gravititational effects upon neighboring space-time/energy, and to the wonderment of our astronomers? What distinguishes this type of speculation from the idle fantasies of the bored and discontented?


"Speed mind-control, 4d: Your mind percieves time at any speed you wish to. I do not master this."

What you are saying can be achieved without much effort through hypnosis. But anyway: Heww! Back to reality (I felt like I was being induced to participate in some sort of role playing game). Rather than speculating so far beyond what I take to be the actual facts of our magical experiences, I think it would be more helpful first to describe what we know is possible and from there conjecturing a theoretical framework in which to speculate about how those possibilities might be maximized.

I will go first: I am quite certain that telepathic and precognitive phenomena exist. I am, however, not sure how and if they could be volitionally evinced--and the failure of scientific paranormal research to find any evidence even statistically significant gives us grounds for a mild pessissism; if, however, you are convinced that you can demonstrate such ability at will, James "The Amazing" Randi has a million dollar reward waiting for you. From my experience I have grounds to infer that telepathic phenomena at least are much more likely to manifest between parties with an already established rapport: Every close girlfriend that I've had in the last half-decade or so left me entirely convinced of the reality of the paranormal--unfortunately, I have never had the opportunity to date anyone with a firm dedication to the magical path. And yet, I once was able to "send" the month and day of my birthday to a girl whom I had just met at a coffee shop; after that feat we took the elevator into the basement storage room of the cafe and proceeded to practice a little multiplication(c:

Furthermore, I am inclined to concede the non-chance nature of some phenomena that people often hastily label as synchronicities. Nevertheless, when addressing these phenomena I am entirely skeptical of such extrapolations that contend that since a meaningfully significant mental event preceded the actual instantion of that event in external reality, our conscious thoughts create the reality around us. In my experience, there is a qualitative difference between the mental states implicated in synchronistic phenomena, and ordinary conscious thoughts or desires.

I have never been impressively successful with sigil magic, nor have I ever personally met any credible person with results contrary to my own. Additionally, I have never evoked a spirit to have it carry out my will; and I have never given the experimentation with material sorcery the diligence that it is perhaps due. Those who do have more experience or positive results with any these matters are invited to share their findings with me. It is of course hoped that they will keep their accounts truthful, cautious and self-critical.

That is a great post. I appreciate skepticism and rational thinking. From personal experience I have learned that it is up to me to prove such "magick" to myself and to what degree I am to believe. Not for others to "prove it to me".

I am also just as skeptical about Christ and the Bible.

Again, on concerning synchronicity, sigil magick, and spirits, keep a rational mind..always doubt and question...but belief is self-create.

Originally Posted by Natasha77

That is a great post. I appreciate skepticism and rational thinking. From personal experience I have learned that it is up to me to prove such "magick" to myself and to what degree I am to believe. Not for others to "prove it to me".

If you are saying that there is an irreducibly subjective component involved in the confirmation of one's magical results then I agree; though I would nonetheless encourage you not to halt your theoretic probings at this rather early point. I cannot help but to believe that the rigorous refinement of the theoretical assumptions behind our magic is so significant that it might in itself be described as an act of magic. Long ago did Heraclitus of Ephesus complain: "Though the Word [Grk: ho logos--the rational intelligibility of the cosmos] is universal, each person behaves as if he has his own individual truth." Of course, we could rightly contend against Heraclitus that the universal "Logos" is much too imense for anyone of us to understand in totality, so we must resort to filling in the blanks by weighing probabilities, or otherwise, allowing our desires to sway our judgments according to which beliefs are most likely to empower our actions towards a fulfillment of those desires. And yet, with that said, I would return to that part of the above-quoted passage where you state, "From personal experience I have learned that it is up to me to prove such "magick" to myself and to what degree I am to believe. Not for others to "prove it to me," and rebut that whatever reasons you might, in such a situation, give yourself for believing thus and so, those reasons would--assuming you were capable of a more or less exhaustive description of the relevant, underlying assumptions behind those reasons--be intelligible and open for the assessment of other rational beings, beings who may very well not have the same biases as you do (I don't mean to bully them so, but just think of the Christians(c.

Again, concerning synchronicity, sigil magick, and spirits, keep a rational mind..always doubt and question...but belief is self-create.

No no, don't get me wrong: I do believe in meaningful coincidences (synchronicities); and I have participated in evocations with convincing results (I just didn't ask the spirit(s) to accomplish any of my worldly desires); in addition, I have also had what appeared to be results (in the magical sense) with sigils, just nothing that was so miraculous that I could offer no other plausible explanation--as is in fact the case with a variety of my telepathic occurrences.

But you raise an interesting point: that belief is in itself a creative force. Unfortunately, in a spiritual context, the word 'belief' carries a motley assortment of baggage; but I do agree with you, and hence, again, I declare the importance of theoretical investigation in the occult: after all, part of the baggage of "belief" has been a long history of an enforced self-deception.

Yes the word "belief" and even the word "faith" carry negative definitions with the many slave religions that exist. By Belief I mean it in a more personal context. As in, if someone subconsciously believes they will always be poor or a failure. Belief is rooted in the subconscious. If the subconscious believes in opposite of the consciousness, the subconscious will have it's way. The same goes with magick. If the Subconscious believes in it, then it will come to pass.

I think the biggest difference between "faith/belief" in this rather than slave religions is they believe without question. They believe even if they have absolutely no proof. At least, with those who practice magick, it is questioned.

As for experiencing events that can be easily "rationalized". I've experienced plenty of sigil magick results but haven't yet turned water to wine, lol. When I asked my teacher those questions when I was younger and she replied..."what's the practicality of doing such things?" Evoking a deity to physical manifestation when I can just as easily communicate with it without that. Much less water to wine! I've experienced events that I cannot rationalize and these events strengthen belief even against skepticism. But I can't say I want to see a full manifested anything...such would lead me to thinking I might be schitzophrenic! lol