Thread: Reality Manipulation Theory.

Well, i have a theory...if one becomes powerful enough in the world of magick i believe they'd be able to bend reality how ever they wished, and without wait Intantly! With out wait. And that you'd be able to control things around you and be able to manipulate the elements possibly, but it all depended on how strongly you believe in your OWN powers.

So i'd like to hear all of your opinions on this matter.

I'm going to post a few more of my ideas.

If you're manipulating physical systems you're going to have to deal with their laws.

Reading more science could help.

Well...from what i've read the world around us is only the world we create and live in together with the rest of the world, and that each person has a effect on the world.

So if you are personaly powerful you could theoreticly have a greater effect then "Averege Joe"

And that's my idea... And i would like to do some field tests. but only after i have more experience.

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Originally Posted by Vir Sapiens

This.

This is simply the way things work. Everything is a factor of probability and can be quantified, that is to say you can put numerical odds on any given event that occurs within space-time as we know it. You can't break the rules, but you can push the probabilities in your favor. In fact I shudder to think what would happen if you did break the actual physical laws that govern space-time. Given that every particle from the sub atomic upwards affects every other particle by association then one break in the chain could actually cause great harm to the structure of existence as we know it. You could undo the speed bumps that slow down light enough to make everything we think of as real. Who knows. That's the rub there. No one can know. Even the finest brain couldn't possibly calculate all the myriad vectors that spawn off the tiniest sub atomic movement. You could set all the world's super computers to the task of factoring the ripple effect based on the positions of electrons within the electron cloud of one atom and they wouldn't be able to finish before our sun swallowed this rock we live on.

You have to know the rules and how to bend them. The more you know about your medium the better your artistry with it and the less liekly you are to have some sort of catastrophe happen. I highly doubt that you, or anyone, will ever achieve the necessary level of ability to actually break the rules so don't bust your conk too much trying. Try to understand the nature of reality and then try to make it your own, but not with whips and chains instead with gentle nudges and careful carresses.

Vir Sapiens You have a very good point, But! who can predict the ripple effect? i mean every day we do somthing no matter how minor or simple it dramaticly and or minorly effects our lives and the people we interact with...Say you pick up the phone and talk for like...ten minutes before you leave to get on the bus. and the other possibilty is you don't talk on the phone because you leave minute early, now you pass totaly different people and see different things on the way to the bus then you would have if you'd have stayed ten extra minutes so there for your experience would be different. and that effects your life, no matter how small...
I don't know where i was going with that though, hehe....

But anyway what i'm saying is EVEN if some one was able to do what i'm talking about they'd be smart enough or powerful enough to be able to calculate what would happen and or do certain little things to 'cause what they really want...

use the 4 elements in my method. Some may want to try 5 using steal. Remember the world is based off of elements. You learn to control and combine the elements then you make up the laws.

I don't remember anyone ever saying the world was based off the elements. Well it is, but not 5 (I'm asuming you're talking about Earth, Fire, water, Wind/weather, Light, and Dark. Which are the most comenly used and the last two aren't even elements.) And the "Laws" are already made you can't Simply improve upon what has been laid down by nature or some higher being? can you? i'm saying Manipulate the laws that are already in place.

Mindpower and your subconscious is whats important in order to manipulate life and your surroundings.Its also based on the law of attraction and willpower.energy manipulation are also important as well and belief.

Old topic. Has been discussed over and over by occultists and media since the thrice-great. I say only three words: LAW OF ATTRACTION.

Instant manipulation of the Universe is possible at a high level of mastery of the Law of Attraction, which in a sense is Manipulative, Telepsionic (psi-bot, you're needed here) Magick. Full mind-control of the 3rd dimension.

However, not even Jehoshua ben-Yussaf (also called Jesus) reached that level. He had very good mind-control of the 3rd dimension and perhaps partial mind-control of the 4th. Moses was even better, but I doubt he could have changed something all to big. Let me explain what that means:

No mind-control, 3rd dimension: The only change one can make in the universe is physical, eg. by kicking away a stone. Ordinary people and animals.

Partial mind-control, 3rd dimension: From beginner to advanced magicians, as well as Law of Attraction applicants.

Good mind-control, 3rd dimension: Very quick alteration of the Universe, usually within a week at the latest of applying Law of Attraction and/or Magick. My level.

Very good mind-control, 3d: Almost instant alteration of little things, eg. transforming water to wine. Control of the way energy changes into, through and out of form. Jesus.

Extraordinary mind control, 3d: Almost instant alteration of very big things, eg. splitting the sea, causing an earthquake, sending a plague of toads or grasshoppers.

Full mind-control, 3d: Deity level. Instant alteration of anything at all. Even instant destruction or creation of entire galaxy clusters.

And similar for the 4th dimension, although here you can only have 4 levels, and there is also a major difference: You can be a master of a certain level that is higher than another level, without mastering that higher level. You'll see what I mean:

No mind-control, 4d: You travel forward in time at a constant speed. Normal people and animals. I master this.

Speed mind-control, 4d: Your mind percieves time at any speed you wish to. I do not master this.

Travel mind-control, 4d: You can do mind travels involving time, i.e. do mind travels to a certain place in the 1800s, for example. I am trying to learn this.

Direction mind-control, 4d: You can go back, forth and up in time. Up is basically going 'out' of time. You exist in a certain time, then you don't, then you do. I don't master this, obviously.

Altering mind-control, 4d: You can alter the past and future in any way possible. I don't master this, that would be creepy.

Full mind-control, 4d: You can do all of these. Deity level. Not me, though, as you can see by the vast number of things I can't do.


I think I should write an eBook about this topic after I wrote about the history of the occult.

there are many factors like astrology such as every beings powers; imagine the planets in there gravity pull, galaxy, etc. now imagine every atom; these are the odds we are against every atom and sub atom divided by infinity. perfect infinity and you have the power of creationism, and in essence god.

now image having the power to manipulate that power from the non existent. to not exist yet control existence....perfection. duality in at its best.

Originally Posted by Thetalpha

Good mind-control, 3rd dimension: Very quick alteration of the Universe, usually within a week at the latest of applying Law of Attraction and/or Magick. My level.

I like the way you have put things. For me the small stuff is quick and easy but I have some big things that are taking forever. I also like that you have separated physical and temporal things because I learned how to do the time stuff way before I knew what magick was. An old race car driver showed me how to alter my perception of time and it has served me well in so many things other than driving. I don't think he had any concept of it being a magickal act.

Originally Posted by Thetalpha

And similar for the 4th dimension, although here you can only have 4 levels, and there is also a major difference: You can be a master of a certain level that is higher than another level, without mastering that higher level. You'll see what I mean:

No mind-control, 4d: You travel forward in time at a constant speed. Normal people and animals. I master this.

Speed mind-control, 4d: Your mind percieves time at any speed you wish to. I do not master this.

Direction mind-control, 4d: You can go back, forth and up in time. Up is basically going 'out' of time. You exist in a certain time, then you don't, then you do. I don't master this, obviously.

Altering mind-control, 4d: You can alter the past and future in any way possible. I don't master this, that would be creepy.

The speed and direction control seem easy and natural to me after about 30 some odd years of doing it. The altering one is difficult to know if it has been done or not because I don't know if my perception and memory gets altered too. There is a vague notion that I have done it and the knowledge, that I can't remember where it came from, of how to do it. It is creating an image of how you want things to be and how you would be as a result then setting a jumping in point in the future so you step over into that time line at that point automatically.

"...if one becomes powerful enough in the world of magick i believe they'd be able to bend reality how ever they wished, and without wait ]Intantly!"

Well, who knows, but I must confess that I am doubtful about whether your theory is anything more than a megalomaniacal, ego-driven fantasy motivated by and compensating for a tremendous feeling of powerlessness over the natural vicissitudes of life. Just imagine having every desire physically manifesting itself as it arose--remember, once the world begins to fulfill your every whim, your rational control mechanism will certainly dissipate (hence we call such a person who approximates to that state, but within the limits of the physical world, "dissolute"). Your environment would be an ever-shifting panoply of disorder, and assuming that you retain the essential features of your human psyche, once fear kicks in, you would only "desire" what could be literally called the nightmarish.

"With out wait. And that you'd be able to control things around you and be able to manipulate the elements possibly, but it all depended on how strongly you believe in your OWN powers."

While tripping on acid, some people have become convinced (the intensity of their belief being demonstrable de facto) that they could fly, with disastrous consequences.

So i'd like to hear all of your opinions on this matter.