Thread: Chaos Star

If everything is true, then all the contradicting points are simultaneously true and it's true that nothing is true, while also true that truth is merely a perception of one's own reality map and if that's not true than it goes back to being true because everything it true and nothing is true all at once!

Originally Posted by KashakuTatsu

If everything is true, then all the contradicting points are simultaneously true and it's true that nothing is true, while also true that truth is merely a perception of one's own reality map and if that's not true than it goes back to being true because everything it true and nothing is true all at once!

KashakuTastsu, YOU win the prize!!!

Originally Posted by KashakuTatsu

If everything is true, then all the contradicting points are simultaneously true and it's true that nothing is true, while also true that truth is merely a perception of one's own reality map and if that's not true than it goes back to being true because everything it true and nothing is true all at once!

Awesome....but god, i've got a headache now. lol

No, you don't. Which I suppose also means that you do.

Originally Posted by daecon

If by chaos star you are referring to the common symbol of chaos that looks like 8 arrows originating from a central point, that symbol was invented by Michael Moorcock in his Elric series c. 1960. It represents a Cartesian coordinate system in four dimensions, implying unlimited freedom of movement.

Warhammer fantasy battle first came out in 1983, long after the symbol was known to gamers and fantasy fans. It became more popular in the early 90's with the release of the hero heavy fourth edition.

What we now call Chaos Magick came about around the same time, late 70's and early 80's. The basic concepts of magical paradigms and creative ritualism were present, but it wasn't called "chaos" yet. That seems to have come about when the need for a fundamentally agnostic "religion" to fuel thaumaturgic spells led many magicians to Discordianism.

While there was always an overlap between magicians and fans of high fantasy, they started converging in the mid to late 90's, as some magicians started deliberately using pop culture paradigms in magic. Comic book artist Grant Morrison, for example, has claimed his Invisibles series is a massive AOS style sigil.

That's actually not what I'm referring to. Oddly enough, I'm not a big fan of that symbol. I guess an equally accurate way if describing it would be an...octagram? An eight-pointed star? Which I'm told represents chaos.

Originally Posted by Blyss

Originally Posted by KashakuTatsu

If everything is true, then all the contradicting points are simultaneously true and it's true that nothing is true, while also true that truth is merely a perception of one's own reality map and if that's not true than it goes back to being true because everything it true and nothing is true all at once!

Awesome....but god, i've got a headache now. lol

o.o Is it bad that I don't? Have a headache, that is. To be honest, I followed that train of thought, and at the end of it felt like, "Indeed. Moving on?" lol

Originally Posted by Ghost of Shaolin

Nope, that's not bad. Moving on, indeed. And Alice, take a look at my avatar for a possible clue about your question.

Yes, I recognize the trigrams of the I-Ching (I've dabbled in it a little, though I find I'm much more accurate with Tarot) arranged into a form similar to that of the Chaos Star (or what I call the "chaos wheel"--the circle with the eight arrows pointing away from it).

I rather like contradictions.

what KashakuTatsu said was exactly my point. the phrase nothing is true is just so, I don't know, over simplified. reminds me of nihilism. then again if you want to use nihilism as a paradigm obviously you can because its even in the liber null. but i don't like using that paradigm, it upsets me, I know because I've done it. so i'll stick with the phrase everything is true because I just like it better. by the way none of this matters its just my boring opinion on linguistics.

Originally Posted by Alice

That's actually not what I'm referring to. Oddly enough, I'm not a big fan of that symbol. I guess an equally accurate way if describing it would be an...octagram? An eight-pointed star? Which I'm told represents chaos.

A second order stellated octagon. Any association with chaos would be because the Moorcock symbol is eight sided. It does have an ancient meaning, though. It was once the symbol of the goddess Inanna of the Sumerians.

There's a related octagram (the first order stellated octagon) that's formed by superimposing one square on another. In Christian symbolism it represents rebirth and is sometimes used as the shape of a baptismal font.

Originally Posted by daecon

A second order stellated octagon. Any association with chaos would be because the Moorcock symbol is eight sided. It does have an ancient meaning, though. It was once the symbol of the goddess Inanna of the Sumerians.

There's a related octagram (the first order stellated octagon) that's formed by superimposing one square on another. In Christian symbolism it represents rebirth and is sometimes used as the shape of a baptismal font.

No, the one I find most attractive is the one that's drawn as one continuous line. A simplistic example of what I'm talking about can be seen here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...x-Octagram.png

As opposed to the one you mentioned: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Laxmi.svg.png
Which apparently is also a symbol in Islam? (according to some snippets I saw in my image search lol)