Thread: nature

Matter and the archonic aspects of nature are opposed, as they bind and limit the spirit, but the spiritual aspect of all that possesses a spiritual spark is always venerated and respected.

But, just because one respects "the prisoner" it does not mean that one also respect the prison or the prison guards (as a wise man once told me)

And mans inner nature ie the body of sin.
Is this the work of the demiurge or Satan.
The reason I ask is because I work within the christian
mythology and obviously the teaching of a myth
contains only so much truth and then illusion.

The path I follow is not quite gnostic satanism, but it's very close in many aspects so will weigh in from the views of my path.

The teachings say that "chaos is the energy in everything, neither creative or destructive, but acts as a motivational force that keeps things from becoming stagnated. Chaos is the very essence of life. It's formless, endless, timeless, raw energy that is not bound by law (human or cosmic). To understand forever is to only understand a fraction of it's true nature. We are born from it, grow because of it, and return to it when we die. It is not to be harnessed and tamed. It is to be honoured for what it is. "

So with that said, nature is inherently chaos, especially through the beauty of the body of the dark mother Tiamat. In honouring her or the cycles of life/death by doing rituals to one side or the other as need permits utilizing the universal currents, you're honouring nature in the grand scheme of the universe, not just on this planet. This isn't the fluffy nature is all love honouring, but all the cycles of life, even the destructive force of the elements or rites to the black holes. Firestorms make great power around here for fast destructive work. I make no delusion of eternity in nature, all in the universe will be destroyed and return to the dark mists again to await another life cycle.

Hi Kashakutashku, thank You for the reply.
The root of what I am really asking is this.

Gossip seems natural for man.
The bible says that the tongue is set on fire by Hell.
But is the reality that the demiurge has built this into
mans nature or is chaos at work.

Theft is natural to man and animal.
The bible condemns theft.
But is the reality that the demiurge has built it into mans nature
or is chaos at work.

The same can be said for lust, murder or the majority of other sins
listed except maybe the likes of witchcraft or idol worship which were
given by darkness according to teaching I have accepted.
My understanding is that as a Satanist we would break the laws of
god because he gave it.

Like I have said I work with the christian mythos so I need to know
in regarding matters such as sin am I just breaking a law that has been
given or am I enabling chaos to be at work by sinning, or both from a chaos gnostic world
view.

The laws of the Abrahamic god are all against our very nature, if you live to embrace your nature then you're sinning. Which most of the Satanist sects do promote hedonism to various degrees. God in this mythos seems much like an angry kid in a sandbox pouting cause his little creations discovered knowledge and wanted equality. Lillith got kicked out cause she wanted to be equal to Adam, the apple and serpent are representations of wisdom, the other tree would've given then immortality... can't have that now. "Don't worship false idols (insert any deity or being other than me cause I'm insecure and need to be the only thing in the sky)".

With the idea of sin you'd be breaking rediculous laws that deny your very nature thus trying to control chaos (chaos being the chaotic spark within our blood, energy within everything/one, etc). Sinning (embracing your natural impulses, inner chaos) will be both breaking the laws and enabling chaos.

Hello Kashakutatsu.
I have been looking at Your 2 posts again and what I am looking for and believe myself fits with Your comment in Your first post where You say.

Nature is inherently chaos.

This also fits well with the comment from witch13 about respecting the prisoner but not the prison or the guards, so thanks once again.

Nature is unkind and not perfect, as we are not perfect and are unkind at times. You have to have the balance of unkind and kind perfect and not perfect, if we don't we cease to exist.

The material world and ego is considered in Gnostic Satanism to be basically a limit. This world is considered a place of suffering, and the Demi-Urge is the intelligence of this world. In order to exist, the Demi-Urge requires our imprisonment in the material world in order to be conscious - because inherently he has no consciousness.

Satan is supposed to be the anti-cosmic messiah or liberator. He has come to destroy all and bring Dies Irae. Returning all to the supreme Chaos which is the pandimensional state of being - where by one exists and does not exist at the same time. To complete this, even Satan will have to destroy himself.

This is just the gnostic satanist point of view though. I tend to agree with Iza.

Who cares there is not perfect and perfect and dark and light. Too much crap is put on this subject.