Thread: nature

I have always liked the MLO and their serious Satanism, however I have not had too much access to their teaching. At the moment I see Satan in nature through its harshness only the strong survive ect. Does anyone know how the MLO view nature, do they see the Devil in the details or is this world all just a work of the demiurge.
Any feed back from anti-cosmic brothers/sisters?

I would also love to know how anti-cosmic gnostics/Satanists view nature. Being anti-cosmic, and nature being created as a part of the cosmos, does this make anti-cosmic gnostics and Satanists anti nature?
I find myself very drawn to the 218 current and to anti-cosmic gnosticism, but I cannot find myself connected to something that does not appreciate nature. I find so much beauty and power in nature and the elements and also love working with nature as a part of my magickal workings, witchcraft etc.

I'd love to learn more about opinions regarding nature, from the view point of an anti-cosmic practitioner.

Thanks.

I think this article from a Gnostic website may shed some light on the matter?

The Gnostic World View: A Brief Summary of Gnosticism

The TotBL describe themselves as Gnostics with it's form in Satanism, so this article has some relevance I'd imagine. Nature in this article is considored imperfect and place of suffering, I see no reason why the TotBL wouldn't agree with this as they desire to see this cosmos and all matter in it destroyed!

For me the TotBL are a great antidote to the wishy washy theistic Satanism that plagues the net and the materialism of the CoS. I see great value in the work they are putting out, but I don't subscribe entirely to their beliefs nor feel you need to, to appreciate their work. The only one's that do are it's members.

Thanks Diabolis11 that was a helpfull link.
Panparadox has been released through IXAXAAR
which is written by Vexior who is anti-cosmic and
his book is about Pan a nature god, however this book
although highly reccommended does not bring up
the issue, I may try to contact him and see if I can
get an answer from him.

Originally Posted by Ravana

Thanks Diabolis11 that was a helpfull link.
Panparadox has been released through IXAXAAR
which is written by Vexior who is anti-cosmic and
his book is about Pan a nature god, however this book
although highly reccommended does not bring up
the issue, I may try to contact him and see if I can
get an answer from him.

Hi Ravana, You are welcome. If you do get an answer from Vexior on this matter then that would be most interesting to read. Panparadox....indeed it would appear to be! But appearences can be deceptive.

I have contacted Vexior and do apologise that I have been unable to respond for a while due to having problems with logging into the forum.
I wont post his response exactly as it was a private message which I have not asked him if he minds it posting on a forum.
Basically they teach the demiurge is the creator of the cosmos, and
everything within the cosmos is his. earth and its nature
is a creation of the demiurge. Satan is of the anti-cosmic Chaos, an
acosmic and pandimensional world beyond the cosmos/universe. But Satanic
powers are intruding the cosmos with the purpose of destroying it. the
intruding powers are called anti-cosmic.
So I think it answered my question anyway.

I think that we need to look at the whole picture regarding them being
anti-nature. Which would be to look at their belief and reason for the destruction of the cosmos, which would be to set us free from the tyrant called the Demiurge. I guess you get it or you dont.

Thankyou Ravana for sharing what you could of the answer from Vexior.

Well, nature and everything in this universe was created from Dragon Mother Tiamat so of course their is some beauty in it. However, nothing in this physical realm is perfect, or even good in any way. The reason the demi-urge is considered foolish is simple. Look at nature, take a good deep hard look and what do you see? Suffering, death, pain and misery. Animals eat each other, natural disasters destroy the land and disease brings cruel deaths. What is there to appreciate? Sure, looking at the forest or beach may be pretty but it's just because it still has some of the original beauty of Tiamat.

I like the comment Midnight Empire about nature. Also chaos will destroy nature and all the cosmos in the end, but isn’t this exactly what jesus gentle, loving, meek and mild said he was going to do?