Thread: Anti-Cosmic

I figured this would be the best area to post this in, so please forgive me if this thread belongs in another section.

Has anyone here read the works of H. P. Lovecraft?

For those that have (and I don't mean just a few stories) you will recognize that the anti-Cosmic forces that are spoken of in Gnostic Satanism are present in the works of H. P. Lovecraft, and have existed there longer.

What do you guys think? I'm personally a big supporter of Cthulhu being real. I mean, do we not have physical (though circumstantial) evidence of His existence? Does He not represent everything of the anti-Cosmic?

Looking forward to hearing what others have to say,
Kyle

I don't think it is a matter of being ''real'' since a lot of the figures from gnostic satanism are simply gods and beings from the sumerian mythos. However, the sumerians were not anti-cosmic but pagan. They desired, in their own way, to unite with Nature. All of the gods were personifications of nature. As you probably read from The Temple of The Black Light, The Ancient Ones were first. They were primordial and they are powerful. The Elder Gods are supposed to be wiser than the Ancient Ones and thus were able to defeat them. In the belief system of Sumeria... there would come a time when all would be consumed by Cthulu and everything would return to the rule of the Ancient Ones. Then after a time be ruled by The Elder Gods. The only reason why anyone worshiped the Ancient Ones was for power and the possibility that when The End of Everything comes, they might be spared. Otherwise, worshiping Inanna was their means of finding resurrection after death and being saved from the grips of erishkigual (Queen of the dead. Another Ancient One.)

Gnostic Satanism... to me is just ''reverse paganism''. Not trying to start a riot. However, the Temple tries to cause The End of Everything to happen while all the rites of Sumeria were used to insure that the gates wouldn't break. It was used to make sure that the Gods remembered their promise to protect us from those who lurked Without. It is during the pagan holidays that such rites were performed.

Very enlightening post, Devakxes. It was an enjoyable read, to be sure.

Although I guess I think my question was more along the lines of "do people find the Cthulhu Mythos a legitimate religion." Not sure why I worded it the way I did. But I enjoyed your post thoroughly, none-the-less.

i think we would need to define what alegitimate religion is.

for me i would say yes it is because of belief. religion to me is a belief. people can worship mickey mouse for all i care.

to call on the cthulhu manifests the cthulhu

Originally Posted by zero

i think we would need to define what alegitimate religion is.

for me i would say yes it is because of belief. religion to me is a belief. people can worship mickey mouse for all i care.

to call on the cthulhu manifests the cthulhu

I believe that's actually incorrect. It was the calls for Cthulhu that held the Cthulhu bound in a dreamless sleep at the bottom of the ocean. Or something to that effect. Hard to remember the details at 1am lol Sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by PlagueJester

I figured this would be the best area to post this in, so please forgive me if this thread belongs in another section.

Has anyone here read the works of H. P. Lovecraft?

For those that have (and I don't mean just a few stories) you will recognize that the anti-Cosmic forces that are spoken of in Gnostic Satanism are present in the works of H. P. Lovecraft, and have existed there longer.

What do you guys think? I'm personally a big supporter of Cthulhu being real. I mean, do we not have physical (though circumstantial) evidence of His existence? Does He not represent everything of the anti-Cosmic?

Looking forward to hearing what others have to say,
Kyle

I've read most of the works of Lovecraft. He's a profound author and really interesting character in real life. Very multidimensional person. A great deal to like there and to dislike.

Any idea, egregore or meme can be as real as you wish it to be. Jesus Christ is an excellent example. Very little data on there ever being a real historical figure named Jesus of Nazareth, but put enough belief behind it and you can present the idea as utterly legitimate and beyond question. So the answer, or rather rephrased question would probably be "is Cthulhu real to you?".

There are several modern cults who believe in anticosmicism, and I believe Order of Nine Angels, Temple of the black light, etc. and probably countless more individuals. It's just not something most people write as a status on myspace or facebook. I see the anti-cosmic ideology as a simple aversion to the paradigm of life or existence as we see it expressed in the universe. It is essentially a heightened state of misanthropy if you will, a rejection of existence itself. Most people find that idea rather repulsive. Yet there is something beautifully destructive about the idea of wishing for or advocating a total annihilation of all material things. I mean if you think about this for a second it's not that far away from Christianity and Buddhism who try to forgo all material things in order to try to reach a heaven or nirvana.

I've secretly worn the badge of anti-cosmicist for quite a long time now but I rarely talk about it with others who are just not open minded or intelligent enough to really understand the merits of the philosophy nor appreciate the idea being applied to chaos magick or witchcraft.