Thread: You all know you are?

are you my teacher lol

Reading about magical attacks and so on on different forums has drawn me to the conclusion that I have been under attack since the day I was born.

Schopenhauer anyone? Maybe with a side of Vedas for digestion? One could have some Hammurabi for dessert and a sliver of Zen to pick those aphorisms away from Erasmus...

Point being - it may be wise to broaden ones accepted definition of such terms as 'ethics' and 'morality' - in terms of whatever terms you wish to have.

It perturbs me to see the ease of acceptance people take with themselves when they refuse to acknowledge black and white - while all their actions are but a definition and, indeed, a manifestation of the same.

I like earth tones... lol

I see myself as falling into the gray area and that means I take care of me and mine. I don't go out of my way to get anyone's nose out of joint and I try not to make life too unpleasant for the person driving behind me but, I do know that trouble does what it does and sometimes the gloves need to come off from time to time.
That about covers it.
Sorry for the western tone but I've been watching "Firefly" while checking the boards.

which is ironic, because the crew in Firefly are all opportunistically neutral in retrospects to morality

Just to make it clear the reason behind my SN is because I am a black (race) mage.

Ave,

Grey is to me, a person who purely uses magick for his/her own evolvement. An individual, like a hermit. Grey to balance the pendulum by using the negative to draw in the positive and vice versa.

and

We can only work with ethics and morals to the standards that we have learned ourselves, if we hurt somebody because we haven't experienced the receiving end of somebody else's ethics and morals, we can only do our best in order to work for the 'greater good'?

This is brilliant Cascara! You really made clear a most acceptable definition of the term Grey... in my humble opinion ofcourse!

In addition, I agree that the term opportunistically neutral really sums it up in two words nicely.

May I also say that I am quite pleased to see that my initial thought has led to at least some very decent posts in a subforum that, to me at least, has the greatest potential for variety and improvisations/experiences/workings...

The knowledge shown by you guys in itself shows massive potential for intelligent debate here.

Blessings,

LoD

Grey, White and Black magick are out-dated terms in my opinion (And the general consensus) and don't really exist anymore. To me there is just magick (of course there is Paganism, Wicca, Eclectic Witchcraft, Traditional Witchcraft- but that's not my point)

There are so many paths and ways to harness magick to create change (AKA to preform witchcraft) from simple, focused prayer to complicated ritual high magick. Your personal ethics should be your own. I for one have no moral qualms about defending myself using hostility against a psychic or magickal attack. But I won't outright harm someone for spilling their coffee on me, I might tell them to be more careful next time. I might even get a little angry if they did it carelessly. I also have no moral dilemmas about mind-reading/control though I would not preform this without cause, or good reason. Especially mind control. Which is actually more difficult than reading, the only experiments I've conducted with it so far are movement of arms and legs or suggestion-implant to make someone more inclined towards doing a certain something. And I've practiced it with the subjects informed consent.

Alternatively I find magick for my own goals and gain perfectly acceptable. As long as I am willing to do the same for others. I offer my services to anyone willing to ask for them- just a few days ago a woman came to me who was referenced by a friend of mine (who I taught an extremely helpful cleansing technique) she had spirits in her home, scaring and attacking her (very) young children. This enraged me with a passion. So I took the job to cleanse her home of their presence, and I got the ritual done this passing Saturday, every cleansing before me- they have come back around midnight, or the next day. I have so far not heard from her that they have returned. And if they do I will rid them from her home permanently by whatever means.

So I follow a path that to me, is for the bettering of myself and the people around me. This could be classified as "white" magick, but I do not confine myself to such labels and meanings. I do not think it does any of us justice to confine ourselves.

In response to comments made by Mr. Vir concerning my response...

Causality itself and the adherence to it as a basis for absolution in all things is often seen in the vegetable kingdom.

I understand your logic and do not disagree with it - how could one? Might makes right? Destroy thy enemy? Tactical first strike? Etc...

It all works terribly well in the end - but it is not what civilization is built upon - might be what protects it - but absolutely not what gives it life - and meaning. Meaning beyond the stark, and black and white world of survival & procreation.

When I consider black & white - I take into consideration it's many correspondences - when you gave a critique of my statement - you applied a correspondence that fit your paradigm.

But, of course, it works terribly well, doesn't it?

this thread has sparked some interesting questions indeed,

as for my belief on the white black grey "styles" of magick

Ill start off with black because then the rest will make sense, black magick is the effort to change something in some odd matter(distort, transform, shatter, hurt, etc) and to do so without consent of the thing being forced on, and not for its well being like many has said for it to be truly black you must be sadistic, or as the Alfred in the new Batman says "some people just want to see the world burn." this statement sums up the true black magicians or practitioners for me, they really dont care who or what they hurt, as long as it provides amusement

White magick is in the effort to guide, protect, change in a way that keeps its original form just with a little addition to it, or to reshape in other words so that it sets it on its path while giving at least most of the equipment that thing will need....Very much like Lady Galadriel in Lord of the rings (I am trying to find examples that i think that fits, and white was hard) each of her presents came in handy to each of the fellowship, and gave each of them advice

Then there is gray, most practictioners fit under this category, in my opinion, it is to use the forces around you, to bring good will (protection luck, etc), and if nessacary ill will to those that ABTSOLUTLEY need a good smack across the face and no I dont mean just because he got that promotion, or got the girl you were trying to get...I mean he is headed down the wrong path and may fall under the line as black so he needs a "wake up call" if u will and in the end that person will grow from that experiance an return to his former self. (gandalf-ish? batman? oh heck someone who has to do something only by nessecity not out of want)

To me grey represents life, you give and you take, you are rewarded and you are punished, I guess a quick definition of grey is to use both sides in the effort to have them work together as a cohesive unit, to bring harmony to the balance, and the majority of the mass, not the few

Originally Posted by Harlock

To me grey represents life, you give and you take, you are rewarded and you are punished, I guess a quick definition of grey is to use both sides in the effort to have them work together as a cohesive unit, to bring harmony to the balance, and the majority of the mass, not the few

I like that.