Thread: You all know you are?

Ave,

Funny... this would be a subforum where I'd expect a hell of a lot of topics and posts... you ask yourself why I guess?

You see, there is always this focus on either black or white when it comes to the occult, but that is simply foolishness. I find those who say they are white magickians just as foolish as those who claim to be black magickians... since we all use magick for both ends depending on the situation, don't we? I have never met a serious occultist who would turn the other cheek when attacked, they would always retaliate, as defending oneself is of course completely understandable... I am not speaking of the extremes here, there may be those who are totally sick in the head who may only perform darker magick in order to destroy or hurt. These are a minority in the occult community... thankfully.

In a nutshell, I guess most of us are grey, since we utilize our talents not only to help others, but also to gain ourselves (or vice versa when speaking in the context of darker paths)... no?

Blessings,

LoD

As far as I've understood, the terms "white" and "black" magic originated with the munks studying the old grimoirs back in medival times. "White" magic was anything that could be sanctioned by the Church, "black" magic was everything else. I probably should quote a source, but I can't remember where I read this anymore.

Has anyone else heard of this definition?

Who is to judge really what is white, grey or black magick is and for that matter right or wrong.

Is it not the practicing Magician to protect him self before the day begins so that what ever is thrown at him never gets to them that's what the LBRP and other protection rituals are all about

An eye for and eye attitude, let me get him before he gets me attitude I would " judge " as Black Magick

I think the best offense is the protection ritual and raising the energy as the MP strengthening of the aura to protect ones self as well as healing ones self

As for the breakdown on the of the threads at some point we were beginners and needed to see the difference of each practice of magick by giving it a name which gives it a energy which gives some kind of direction a would be mag can be pointed into a direction to practice

but what if the family members are also practicing and for someone to go after say family members, I say is low down

the problem would say be between you and I, then the problem is between you and I the need to go after family members is not necessary then it turns into some thing of the Hatfields and the McCoy's situation ( I see where you coming from though )

I haven't been in long enough to get attacked, and I have no idea how I would retaliate. Otherwise a mixture of both aspects seem appropriate. Why throw all your eggs into one basket? It seems to me, that investing all of your energy into a crippling attack, or a mind numbing wall, is a waste of time. A wall is good to retreat to if your attack goes south, and a wall to cower behind isn't as satisfying as throwing rocks from above. So to speak.

This is why when you practice your rituals you do them with the clearest intent and desire when performing, not half hearted

Believe me if whether in person of in the astral sense I need to face something there is no better feeling that taking some thing head on not any thing a car, house or someones family member the fight is not with them

If I am not confident that my protection Rituals are at the level that they should be I had better not tick some off

No matter who the person is they needed to be treated with respect their values ideas and the path that they choose to take.

Once you forget this in my eyes the Ego comes it play

please don't jump on me for this but the movie '' The Karate kid " shows what I'm talking about .

just my view and this is why we are individuals

Ave,

Semantics perhaps... or just labeling because we humans love to stick labels on everything? Some very good replies by the way, and, Lady Dunsany, I wasn't referring to this forum at all in my original post... I was just testing the waters so to speak and seeing if this little thought I had would be an appropriate topic for discussion.

Now, let us all try the analyze the differences in approach regardless of intent. How would you describe this when it comes to, oh, let's say asking for something good to happen to you with regards to your career... So, both the 'Black' and the 'White' Magickian perform a ritual to make this happen. The intent is the same, but what is so different in the means to acquire this wish? Is it merely a difference in what ritual is performed and what deities or entities are called forth? Does this difference in methods imply that in the case of the 'Black' Magickian a higher price needs to be paid (such as another human being needs to suffer)? Where does this leave the 'Grey'? Has the 'Grey' found a way of balancing it all so there is no need for sacrifice and no need to feel guilty when the need arises to harm rather than heal?

Or are we merely speaking of differences in personal philosophy, righteousness, world view, conscience, and empathy?

Just thought I'd throw some more questions at you...

Blessings,

LoD

Ave,

I wholeheartedly agree with you Sapiens... and I am also a firm believer in the fact that the Occult is the last place where one should need to discuss morality... ethics, perhaps, but morality?

Blessings,

LoD

Originally Posted by LoD

Ave,

that the Occult is the last place where one should need to discuss morality... ethics,

LoD

Occultist's shouldn't have or practice morals .. or ethics ?

a rock is a rock is a rock.