Thread: should we respect christianity?

Originally Posted by slayer

I've had a big debate on this for awhile with myself. part of me says yes, jesus died on the cross so we should have respect. But I think I've come to the conclusion of not respecting them. I was in school the other day and I told a teacher about trying to check out the satanic bible at the library. She meanly said i don't want to hear about that. I don't want to hear about your shitty ass religion then. Lavey even says , the parts that I've read, that it's time the devil shouted back. I went to church with my mom today and they kept taking blame after blame on the devil. no, it was your stupid head that put ideas in there, not satan. anyways, thats my thoughts on that subject. and yes I know of the satanic something says don't give opinions unless asked, but if you don't want my opinion then you don't have to read this or respond to it. oh and i forgot, jesus was dumb because he knew he was going to die and die for "our sins". and don't ask me why jesus did a complete satanist move by self sacrificing. if i offend anyone please tell me, I don't mean to come off so strong on jeebus.

This is quite a dilemma for a lot of serious Satanists. Should we respect a belief system centered on a god that we do despise? My answer is two-fold. First, I do not advocate respect for the belief system that is Christianity. I hate it, and I encourage all true Satanists to hate it with all their being. Second, I do advocate respect for individuals. I have Christian friends, and though I vehemently disagree with their belief system, I cherish their friendship. These are pretty open-minded Christians though.

Originally Posted by bullfrogsrules

satanictemple golly are you from the temple website

Yes, I am.

They are nothing but animals... Animals can not be respected, they can well treated, liked and even loved. But not respected. One thing is sure - They will never respect non of us, why should I respect them?!

I think iv'e missed the point, what are you trying to say?

That's typically the stance I take on them Eumenides.

I try to help them but I see a lot of people as not genuine. Since most people aren't genuine they aren't willing to take the necessary steps to help themselves evolve. Thus I don't try unless they seek me out or I see someone with great potential.

This is from Diane Vera... a well-known satanist.

''Therefore, I do think that counter-evangelism is justified, as a means of helping those who are not happy with hardcore Christianity (or hardcore Islam, or hardcore Judaism) to liberate themselves, and as a means of reducing the potential pool of religious right wing recruits. (Also, on a more personal level, counter-evangelism can be helpful as a means of building rhetorical skill and/or learning to think more logically. And, for recent ex-Christians, ex-Muslims, or ex-ultra-Orthodox Jews, digging into the arguments on both sides can be helpful as a means of reassuring oneself that one has done the right thing by leaving Christianity/Islam/Judaism/whatever.)''

I respect peoples right to beleive what they want.
I do not however respect any form of organized religion.
Organized religion is a perverted, twisted form of what the beleif system once was and is now used primarely to allow the few to gain power over the many.
Therefore I respect those who worship "personaly" and form their own beleifs.

I see myself as an agnostic, I reckognize that there is some force in the univerce, but I do not beleive that this is a concious entety.
If such a being did exist I still would not see any reason to worship it, I would then spit in its eye. What creature could justly weild such vast power?
Does the mare posession of power give right to rule and tyranize over others?
What being, says he loves humanity and is all loving and all forgiving, yet murders his own children? What god allows his own son to suffer when he himself could have easily written the wrong? What other animal denies his own instincts? What other creature hates itself for allowing itself the simple pleasures of life? Man is the most corruped creature there ever was.
Rather than woship a tyrant good, I reckognize that we are all gods, bound together by the devine power of infinate creation, wich is our birthright.
I preach no gospel, only: Love, Acceptance and Freedom.
Or as Crowley said, Do what ye will shall be the whole of the law, and let it be governed by love, or something along those lines.

So, for my sake, people can beleive what ever they want, and I will offcourse respect that, as long as they don`t try to shove it down peoples throats.

My opinion in regards to Christianity..

It is righteous to respect an enemy. But Christianity is an oppressor, a worker of the ropes, a deceptive and omni-present persecutor of the unknown.

It's a question of respecting the chaser as the chased. Myself, I despise Christians for what they've done to humanity, and the bias and ignorance we face everyday.

Should we respect Christians?

As I have stated to people I have discussed the religion with before, as a Satanist I am capable of both love and hate. I hate the religion for what it has done to people and our history. For the fear and brainwashing it has put on simple minds and young children. The disrespect it fosters for people who do not conform to their presuppositions about the Universe and personal lives. Christian elders where behind the Salem Witch Trials and the KKK as well as The Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. Most wars were started and revived in the name of God.

However, sometimes I pity people and sometimes I see it as: "If this is what they want, then they get the logical and emotional garbage they deserve." However, I pity young children and emotionally evolving teens that are racked with a guilt/fear manipulation their doped into thinking they need to go to ministry colleges and and theology universities (which are contradiction in terms, IMHO) because god is calling them! The discrimination it fostered against blacks and now GLBT's.

Respect is earned and is also relative to a specific point. Christians manipulate the minds of believers to make The Others appear as vicious people who are only out to destroy your beautiful faith in God, and they are wreak-less, self destructive, devils living pointless lives. Christianity is more black and white than a 1950's gangster film.

Nevermore

Why not respecting Christians? You LaVeyans are actually atheists so you are not stronger than we Christians are... So why not respecting us since we respect you? (We dont respect your beliefs because you have no beliefs since you are actually atheists but we respect you - At least I do...)

The Christian church has done many bad things but you dont have to judge all Christians just by the mistakes of some... I mean these people have chosen to be God's priests, did God choose them to be His priests? Did we Christians choose them to be God's priests? No! So why not respect us? We actually want the same thing: Peace in the world. And don't tell me LaVeyans (atheists) don't want peace but war because this will be a lie.

Besides LaVey himself was a Theistic Satanist not an atheist, it's just that Church of Satan changed their main objective after his death just to separate themselves from the satanic murders involving his name.

I believe the respect should come on a personal basis. Same like many peopleare saying "Do not dissrespect christians because of the majority" it also goes the other way around. If someone for example happens to have a friend or a family member who is christian and who aknowledges their faith, doesnt spit and crucify and rest of the crap christians in my expirience tend to do, yes, he will ofcourse respect him, but he will not necesseraly respect them all. I believe it should be like this aka show respect where respect is due. I grew tyred of the bullshit and claims like We need to be better then them, do not be angry and hateful blabla". I simply cannot respect them, tho I hugely respect and admire people who do. I had been dissrespected by all the christians I've met so far,sometimes you can say it was my fault for bringing up the religion topic, other times it was just because of the pentagram I wore,and in those I wouldn't even try to defend or elaborate or try to explain something about my choices, because it is useles and pointless. So, the general idea, in myopinion is, NO, we shouldn't, they dont deserve it.