Thread: LaVey Rituals

First, as I said LaVey was not an atheist.

He was a Diabolist (with his own rules, separate from the Diabolic brotherhoods but still a Diabolist)

So you don't have to take seriously what he says.

He doesn't do it just because "humans need to believe in something and cannot accept atheism", he did it because he really believed in what he was doing.

Now...

Which Satan represents "the part of our being that is defiant of all that stops us from being the God within"?

How do you make this conclusion that Satan represents that?

And please don't tell me that Satan told you so... (because I've heard that too)

Then how do you make the conclusion that Belial "represents the part of our mind that allows us to stand on our own feet independently"?

So... You are saying that you are practicing magic for psychological help but you don't believe in it?

Only Satanists have done that... Taking things that we believe for years now and making them however they like them without saying why...

For example, theistic Satanists believe that Satan is good... But don't say what is their source... where they found that Satan is good.

Of course we have organizations like JoS that claim that Satan told them so and take wise phrases from books claiming the demons told them in personal conversations they had after summoning them...


Ha! And, of course people cannot accept atheism as a religion since atheism is not a religion, but the non-existance of religion.

Kain. I don't know what parallel universe you are from.

Lavey was never a diabolist. I've studied his biography.
The foundation of Lavey Satanism is the worship of The Self. Except Lavey Satanism is also a very ''here and now'' philosophy so they only worship the psyche and flesh. They don't worship any soul. Furthermore, they don't have any specific moral code.

Here is a link to wikipedia's summarization of the satanic bible:
The Satanic Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At the beginning of each ''book'' in the satanic bible, it states what each of the crown princes represent. They don't show this in Wikipedia but I'm sure if you go to any bookstore in any city, they normally have a paranormal section where they have a copy of the satanic bible so you can look for yourself. Actually, I have a PDF if you need me to go get it and send it to you.

http://www.angelfire.com/rings/black...y/texts/sb.pdf

Here you go. I did it for you.

Theistic Satanism never says anywhere that Satan is Good. Wanna know why? Because they don't really believe in any moral code either. They follow their own codes.

The problem is people like you who twist **** in order to profit while the masses are left with nothing.

I don't like the JoS, they told old secrets and are saying it all comes from some ancient form of satan worship which never existed. All of the forms of satanism are new but it doesn't make it invalid. However, I don't like when a philosophy or religion claims that this is ''theirs'' when it was obviously someone else's.... this shows the organization is lying and who knows what ends they will try to gain for their own profit.

Frankly, Kain, as for the twisting and stuff... it isn't twisting the knowledge it is seeing it from one's own perspective. Christians will claim that being homosexual is a choice and that it is evil - but ask any homosexual and they will tell you they can't get erect from a vagina or maintain an erection, unless they are of course intoxicated and haven't gotten off in days.

Christianity is a religion that has power because it defines what is good and what is evil. Thus controlling human character. And guess who told them? God did. So I don't see why you are putting people down for talking to Satan when God was talking to the prophets and told them what to write down. Jesus - a Man - was telling them what to write down. How does this make it more valid? Have you ever read the book of luke without the concept of Jesus being God? It shows him in a very negative light...

Even Jesus, being this good guy who died on the cross so we didn't have to perform sacrifices and blah blah blah... even he says that ''For those who don't believe that I am king over them, bring them before me and kill them''.
That is in Luke.

Originally Posted by devakxes

Kain. I don't know what parallel universe you are from.

Lavey was never a diabolist. I've studied his biography.
The foundation of Lavey Satanism is the worship of The Self. Except Lavey Satanism is also a very ''here and now'' philosophy so they only worship the psyche and flesh. They don't worship any soul. Furthermore, they don't have any specific moral code.

Here is a link to wikipedia's summarization of the satanic bible:
The Satanic Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At the beginning of each ''book'' in the satanic bible, it states what each of the crown princes represent. They don't show this in Wikipedia but I'm sure if you go to any bookstore in any city, they normally have a paranormal section where they have a copy of the satanic bible so you can look for yourself. Actually, I have a PDF if you need me to go get it and send it to you.

http://www.angelfire.com/rings/black...y/texts/sb.pdf

Here you go. I did it for you.

Theistic Satanism never says anywhere that Satan is Good. Wanna know why? Because they don't really believe in any moral code either. They follow their own codes.

The problem is people like you who twist **** in order to profit while the masses are left with nothing.

I don't like the JoS, they told old secrets and are saying it all comes from some ancient form of satan worship which never existed. All of the forms of satanism are new but it doesn't make it invalid. However, I don't like when a philosophy or religion claims that this is ''theirs'' when it was obviously someone else's.... this shows the organization is lying and who knows what ends they will try to gain for their own profit.

Frankly, Kain, as for the twisting and stuff... it isn't twisting the knowledge it is seeing it from one's own perspective. Christians will claim that being homosexual is a choice and that it is evil - but ask any homosexual and they will tell you they can't get erect from a vagina or maintain an erection, unless they are of course intoxicated and haven't gotten off in days.

Christianity is a religion that has power because it defines what is good and what is evil. Thus controlling human character. And guess who told them? God did. So I don't see why you are putting people down for talking to Satan when God was talking to the prophets and told them what to write down. Jesus - a Man - was telling them what to write down. How does this make it more valid? Have you ever read the book of luke without the concept of Jesus being God? It shows him in a very negative light...

Even Jesus, being this good guy who died on the cross so we didn't have to perform sacrifices and blah blah blah... even he says that ''For those who don't believe that I am king over them, bring them before me and kill them''.
That is in Luke.

First, you should know that the last part in Luke is a parable...

Secondly, prophets and stuff like that were chosen by God, but these "Satanists" claim that they summon Satan and He speaks to them whenever they want...

And then they say things like "Darkness is light turned inside out" that they read from books and they claim that Beelzebub, Satan etc. told them in a secret conversation they had.

They think demons and Satan speak like humans... Are you telling me that people like that are serious?

And you said Satanism is new as a religion. That's not true. Sorry to disapoint you but only atheism with the name "Satanism" is new.

People who claim they can have secret conversations with the demons like they are their friends whenever they want are also new.

Now, about that... Theistic Satanists believe that Satan is Good since they think He has a good purpose (according to them).

His purpose is supposed to be peace and things like that. Right?

Have you ever seen Diane Vera speaking about war? Of course not.


Now, about homosexuals.

I know people who support atheism and pseudo-satanism have no honour and don't care if they bring shame to themselves by being homosexuals...

Your source about Satan is LaVey... You say "Satan represents that" "Belial represents that" and all these are according to LaVey.

So tell me, where did LaVey find what Satan represents? The fact that he is a popular "Satanist" does not mean his claims are not to be questioned. So what's his source? Where did he find that Satan and Belial represent this that he claims they represent?


You know that all these things Christianity says are evil, you know they are actually evil. You know it's bad to take someone's wife... you know it's bad to harm the other person... you know it's bad to lie... you know hate and anger is bad. So what's your problem? It's just that Christianity says that we must not do all these things without expecting us to do everything. Christianity says how we should be so we can try to become like we should be but we know we can't and only Jesus could have no sins.



I let for the ending this about LaVey... Time to prove he was a Diabolist.

Let's see...

So first, some proofs that he believed in a literal Devil...

Those that knew LaVey very well in the past, such as Ed Webber, who got together with LaVey as close friends and thought out the idea of making a Satanic church, insist that he definitely did believe in a literal Devil, a real Satan, and that it was absolutely fundamental and basic to all communications and interactions with him, as-given, that he did believe in the Devil, literally.

Michael Aquino also affirms this and he was the second highest ranking member in LaVey's organization for a long time. However, due to Aquino's split with LaVey in 1975, the later followers of LaVey try to downplay anything he has to say or anything in writing he can show.

LaVey's later Priesthood, primarily the Gilmores, insist that Anton Lavey was always a staunch atheist and they claim that even the making of the movie "Satanis" was a big joke. Of course, they themselves are also staunch atheists! (When LaVey died he left his organization to his daughter Karla and to his son Xerxes, to be held for him by Blanche Barton until Xerxes became 18 years of age. There was a bitter court battle not long after. As of now, the Gilmores are the HPs of the organization. Karla has her own organization.)

All of what anyone else can testify to would be hearsay and second hand unless they had it in writing from LaVey himself.

Now it's time to prove he was a Diabolist...

Murderer Richard Ramirez who believed that he will go to Hell next to Jack the Ripper (who is recently proven that he was a Satanist) if he kills, was deceived by Anton LaVey.

LaVey's right hand, Michael Aquino and the founder of the Church of Set, had a tattoo of "666" on his forehead (just like Revelation says that people will have the mark of the beast on their forheads).

Michael Aquino again, in Oprah Winfrey claimed that Satan was the angel of God who rebelled against Him and that even the supporters of the New Age believe in the Biblical Devil.

Also, LaVey didn't say why you shouldn't sacrifice. He just said you shouldn't do it just because it is forbidden by the law. If I was sacrificing I would say exactly the same thing publicly.

Susan Atkins in the court claimed that LaVey told her that he believes in the God of the Bible but he chooses to follow the Devil of the Bible instead.

Charles Manson was also in the age of LaVey.

Diane Vera views Satan as a force that is intricately connected to the physical. She doesn't believe in an afterlife. She also thinks that people chose deities based on their energetic harmony with them... so others who have an energetic ''allergy'' to Satan are typically christians.

Really? A parable? Explain.

The first instance of Satanism was around the 1200s. So no, Satanism isn't as old as many claim.

They claim they summon satan and he comes in the flesh. Now many theistic satanists will summon satan, maybe not in the same manner as a pagan would summon a deity, but it would manifest as a presence in the room and a particular energy. Telepathically a person could talk to them. Deities have been known to chosen people, look at hinduism. All of their stuff is supposed to be from the mouth of a god or goddess.

In my mind, all things are meant to be questioned. I'm not saying that ''satan represents this'' and ''belial represents that'' because I believe in it. I'm stating it because that is what the satanic bible says.

I'm just going to overlook the concept of what you said about homosexuals.

So let me take an idea of christianity and show it in a different light. It is bad to get a divorce, but what if the wife was being severely beaten by the husband everyday? Does she not have the right to be happy and live? To leave the husband? Morality is relative. In Islam they say it is okay to have multiple wives, even slaves. In christianity, everyone is made in the image of God and so to enslave a person is wrong. There are people who are good and yet don't have any belief in God.

Many other ideas abound that Jack the Ripper was a Free-Mason. There is no SOLID evidence that he is a satanist. Let alone a diabolist. As for Richard Ramirez, he also claimed the Nazis poisoned his blood with something underneath his soap dish and that was the reason why he had to drink blood. I'm sure he also spoke about Lavey and a bunch of other things since he also spoke about how he spoke to aliens who came from outer space in order to give him a ray gun that he could use against the nazis.

Michael Aquino views Satan to be the actual god Set, who is actually the principle of Isolate Consciousness. A principle of reality is not the biblical devil who is an entity. In The Temple of Set, they believe everything results to being archetypes and something of the mind... because they relate to the Kybalion.

Charles Manson and Susan Atkins tripped LSD everyday. I'm sure they had visions of Satan when Charles Manson was claiming to be an angel sent from God to kill all the black people hiding in Death Valley in a hole somewhere which to him meant ''the bottomless pit''.

Finally with Lavey and sacrifice. He actually says it is better to go and make a symbolic sacrifice of the person via a destruction ritual. That is in the book of belial. You are correct though, he doesn't condone or negate the concept of sacrificing a person. He says it is in the people's best interest to follow the law of the country they live in, though. He also says that satanism is a religion that honors life.

I'm not a lavey satanist or an atheist btw. I'm a luciferian.
In my mind, it is right to question everything. I don't make accusations when there is no facts. I'm not saying christianity is a wrong religion... for some it is their ideal, just not mine. I just don't like it when others mislead people or go and try to tell others how to live their life.

Kain, for this thread, to make sense and people being able to answear your questions constructively, it might be a good idea for you to read a bit more , as it seems you make asumtions on things you have very limited information about...

There are excellent books out there, that could help you, to maybe put the questions in a more constructive way, as it seems some are getting frustrated from the limited information you seem to know of.

There are books for examples about the brain and how it works regarding emotions, imagination, etc....this might help you to understand a bit more about Magick and the concept of rituals, as well.

It might even answear most of the questions you've come with , as the answears, that currently don't seem to make sense to you, could actually click later after reading a bit more.

Okay, I find all these things about the 1000 kinds of Satanism stupid because I don't know much and I should read...

I will then some time...

By the way, A-theism in English is translated like "No-Godism".

Did you forget that God is the religion?

Without a God we have no religion either.

Originally Posted by Soddex

You can begin with the most common ones and then specialize and get deeper into the different paths.

So Buddhism is not a religion?

I guess I am one of the persons which cant stand your lack of knowledge. It seems to me as you only are trying to argue for your faith like any fundamentalist and not truly are seeking answers.

So true and I find it sad , as Kain you are the one, missing out on the amazing world of knowledge ( my subjective preception of course, being a Luciferian ). However , I can not say what you would define as missing out on, you might be perfectly happy in your reality, after all and that's good for you , but as we respect your belief/ faith in whatever, so too one would hope, you could possibly extend that respect to others here as well, presenting your views maybe in a more understading way, by reading on topics that might help you understad the basics on these subjects.

I could not imagine anyone here, that would go to a christian forum and well, blasting everyone with whatever lefthand knowledge one has, subjective preceptions on christianity, etc...

I can imagine someone going into a christian forum, to learn and understand the christian views on things...

However, it seems to me that there are enough people here that could answear those questions, as they have come from backgrounds, with vast knowledge on the subject...well, enough knowledge to me in anycase, as I'm not very interested in the subject anyway, sorry don't mean to put it down, I just have never been drawn to it .

I'm not going to continue arguing but you see it's 4 morning in here and I am not in a mood to write big texts in a forum.

I am just going to say... Light, did you say that I shouldn't be here telling my beliefs and my opinions about religions most of you believe in just because I am a Christian?

So you say Christianity actually has nothing to do with Occult.

Well, let me remind you that many popular occultists were Christians, like Eliphas Levi, the Key of Solomon was also Christianic. And there is also the Christian Magick, which is based on this, the Key of Solomon that most magicians use as a source.

So how can you say that I shouldn't say my beliefs in an occult forum just because I'm a Christian?

Well, it seems you again misunderstood, that can also be put into, choosing to understand or not , but again that might be a concept that is not familiar to you , so I think I will choose pull away from this, as you seem to have worked out everything anyway for yourself...

I think if this continues I will be making a complaint.

Personally, I don't give a **** why he's trying to force his beliefs on us. I just want it to stop. I also agree that he needs more education in terms of what satanism is and isn't... the different branches of it... as well as other religions in general. I think it is probably difficult being around learned minds and then being taught he is not looking into something deeper. I think that he's also just trying to irk us.

''Seek your own truth - not create your own delusion.'' This is why when you say that diabolism is such a big global conspiracy I get pissed off. It is a delusion. There are places in the world where the word ''diabolism'' or even ''satanism'' is like speaking about ''sunyata'' and the difference between various different states of Nirvana in the west. I will make right every wrong accusation.

However the more practical way at look at demons is that they are parts of the mind of you(God) that need to be turned to the light.

One of the Highest rituals of Ceremonial Magick involves the complete evocation of the entire 72 demons of Hell, with the specific intention of turning them to the light.

- The operation of Abramelin The Mage. I thought about doing this but I don't want to leave a place being haunted by demons like Crowley did.

Well this is a problem, because most magicians believe nothing is true, everything is permitted. The Map is not the Territory
But yes you've hit the nail on the head comparing it psychology..

I think Magick is an art and science that works on multiple levels of understanding... the mind, spirit, and the energy that flows through the flesh and material realm...as well as working with certain universal principles depending on the kind of magick.

Belial standing on his own two feet upon the earth... I wish I could remember what book it talks about this. I think it was the zohar.. Lavey also took his name ''Worthless''... and saw that it was synonymous with ''One without a Master''. That is, the name Belial.

Chorozon to me is more of ''isolate consciousness'' to me than standing independently... the latter simply means you can act on your own impulses, rhythms, desires, thoughts etc. even if others are influencing you.