Thread: LaVey Rituals

Originally Posted by bigballons

hey guys,

so this is a problem that has been bugging me while i have been looking into LaVey's teachings.

I think what i have a weird problem is, if satan is just a symbol, why do L'satanist's do rituals calling on Satan, belial, leviathan, lucifer?

if its just for theatrics, why bother?

what bothers me, is if L'satanist's don't believe in Satan as a force/being, why bother wasting time doing rituals for something that doesn't exist.

being a former christian, brought up with it also. If seems funny to me, knowing about Revelations etc, that this isn't just a ploy to get people to join up with a real Satan entity so we can get bummed in hell for the rest of eternity, masking these Rituals as "theatrical" to get people to do it.

I've seen and read a lot about LaVey and people in the church of satan, that i'm confused on what is believed.

watching an interview with, Zeena Lavey and Schreck, where stated that helping people is pointless and stupid, yet they will do a ritual to destroy a person?? wouldn't it be better to help someone than it would be to waste time doing a "fake" ritual.

As well.. with these Rituals etc, do they actually work? is their actual Magic? or is that just another theatrical thing to do?

a lot of confusion for me

LOL LaVey was a con, nothing more, he stole other ideas from friedrich nietzsche's philosophies, kinda like what the chrsitians did, stole ideas and concepts from other beliefs and calmed it as their own.so in a way he mocked christianity.

Originally Posted by satnistoner420

LOL LaVey was a con, nothing more, he stole other ideas from friedrich nietzsche's philosophies, kinda like what the chrsitians did, stole ideas and concepts from other beliefs and calmed it as their own.so in a way he mocked christianity.

True. I identified myself as a LaVeyan Satanist when I was a little kid because i read his book and agreed with the ''be your own God'' philosophy. But once I actually examined the ''religion'' a bit closer I saw laVey's hypocrisy and that the Church of Satan is no more then a money making scheme.

He charged $200 to join his cult. A real satanist wouldn't feel the need to pay such an outrages price just for the sake of being a part of something

Originally Posted by Kain

Only Satanists have done that... Taking things that we believe for years now and making them however they like them without saying why...

For example, theistic Satanists believe that Satan is good... But don't say what is their source... where they found that Satan is good.

Of course we have organizations like JoS that claim that Satan told them so and take wise phrases from books claiming the demons told them in personal conversations they had after summoning them...


Ha! And, of course people cannot accept atheism as a religion since atheism is not a religion, but the non-existance of religion.

Not only Satanists! Do you think Christianity was the firts religion or what?
Because cristian HAVE copied huge amounts of symbols, values, and even religious stories. For example, many accounts of jesus's "miracles" have been proven historically incorect. Even worse, some of them are clearly plagiarised greek and norse (celtic) mithology accounts.

And Christians believe that Satan is evil, just because of what? Because "God" told someone thousands of years ago and that person told someone else, and it was only writen down centuries later, having been deformed through time and translations...

"The proof" you claim comes directly from the bible, so it is not proof, because the proof is only proof to those who believes. someone who spoke to god...just as you criticise those who say they spoke to some deamon...something no one can prove, only beleive.

That is why i am an Atheist. I am also a LaVeyan Satanist. Because Satanism reflects my way of thinking, philosophy and values.

And i do not go on Christian forums to convince them i am right, because i have beter things to do than waste my time on people who forgo reason for fanatism.

Sincerely,
Mr.Atheist

LOL LaVey was a con, nothing more, he stole other ideas from friedrich Nietzsche philosophies, kinda like what the chrsitians did, stole ideas and concepts from other beliefs and calmed it as their own.so in a way he mocked christianity.

He didn't necessarily ''steal'' ideas from Nietzsche. There is a thin line where the ideas of someone are one's own and the ideas of someone else are another's.
His work was influenced by Nietzsche, I think he even puts that in the introduction to the Satanic Bible. He took elements of Nietzsche's work in order to build his own philosophy. The ultimate idea he ''took'' was that there is no moral code inherent in the universe. Why this is, he leaves up to the Satanist to determine.

Kain has been removed from the system for his cruelty and intolerance to others.

Must this all be so complicated? All of us have our own opinions on the subject. Some of us have completed our journey, others are half way through, and others, still, have only just begun. We are all of the same religion, just stating our beliefs. Arguing and fighting after it was stated the conversation should end is just plain pointless.

-Forsaken.