Thread: LaVey Rituals

hey guys,

so this is a problem that has been bugging me while i have been looking into LaVey's teachings.

I think what i have a weird problem is, if satan is just a symbol, why do L'satanist's do rituals calling on Satan, belial, leviathan, lucifer?

if its just for theatrics, why bother?

what bothers me, is if L'satanist's don't believe in Satan as a force/being, why bother wasting time doing rituals for something that doesn't exist.

being a former christian, brought up with it also. If seems funny to me, knowing about Revelations etc, that this isn't just a ploy to get people to join up with a real Satan entity so we can get bummed in hell for the rest of eternity, masking these Rituals as "theatrical" to get people to do it.

I've seen and read a lot about LaVey and people in the church of satan, that i'm confused on what is believed.

watching an interview with, Zeena Lavey and Schreck, where stated that helping people is pointless and stupid, yet they will do a ritual to destroy a person?? wouldn't it be better to help someone than it would be to waste time doing a "fake" ritual.

As well.. with these Rituals etc, do they actually work? is their actual Magic? or is that just another theatrical thing to do?

a lot of confusion for me

Originally Posted by Isabeau

why indeed? it is in the mind. how ironic yes?

at least i'm not the only one.

i feel like L'satanism, is so right for me, yet this whole ritual thing puts me off

Originally Posted by Octavia156

Hi BigBallons

You are right to highlight that LS is theatrical at its heart.

In answer to your question - yes it 'works' by using the theatrics to 'shock' you out of your Christian/theistic imprinting. THIS iconoclastic comedy designed to undo Catholic thinking is the only magic that is taking place in these rituals.

If you are not a Christian and/or have already shaken off superstition then no, there is no Magic in L'Satanic ritual, and it is 'just another theatrical thing to do'.

LeVey was not a magician - he was an entertainer on a mission to convert Christians into Atheists.

Ok so technically, you don't have to actually involve yourself in the ritual side of L'satanism?

then isn't that just Atheism? with some hints of, what to and not to do?

I would like to share this, and hopefully giving a seed of thought, and motivativation for exploring this path a little closer, by reading a bit more, about the subject, etc..

There is often confusion about what Anton LaVey believed when he established the Church of Satan in 1966. Anyone who accepts the Gilmore-Barton party-line that the Church of Satan is an 'atheist' organization should take a serious look at Michael Aquino's book The Church of Satan which chronicals the COS from the year1969 thru1975.

In various letters and documents it is shown that Anton LaVey clearly accepted the literal existence of Satan. It was only after 1975 (and his disavowal at that time of Satan and his priesthood) that he began to deny the literal existence of Satan. It was the corruption of the priesthood via the sale of titles and ordinations which resulted in the resignation of the entire priesthood of Satan and the formation of the Temple of Set.

In his book The Satanic Rituals, Anton LaVey mentioned various groups which existed prior to the formation of the Church of Satan (the Knights Templar, the Yezidee, the Illuminati) and describes them each as 'Satanic.' From this it should be seen that Satanism encompasses a variety of beliefs which are not necessarily compatible when taken at face value. Neither the Yezidee nor the Knights Templar would agree with the Church of Satan in its views, but both are described by LaVey as actual Satanists.

I have the answer for you, bigballons...

LaVey had to make the people believe that he does not believe in the Devil as a real entity but as a symbol, so he can fool and deceive the masses. He knew the Devil is the Father of All Lies (as Jesus calls Him), that's why he made Satanism an official religion using a lie... That they don't worship Satan, but instead they believe in Him as a symbol.

However, it's obvious that he was just telling this but did not follow it, that's why he invoked demons, made rituals in the Devil's name and many more. With this, someone would believe that LaVey was a Theistic Satanist. No... Theistic Satanists have their own beliefs about the Devil and do not believe in the Bible.

LaVey believed in both God and Satan of the Bible and was worshiping Satan (I can prove it if you want).

We see that LaVey was actually a Diabolist with a special ideology. I guess he had never read any old Diabolic scriptures or... He had his own reasons to believe not to them.

Maybe the term "LaVeyan Satanism" should stop to exist... Because LaVey was not a LaVeyan Satanist.

Originally Posted by Kain

I have the answer for you, bigballons...

LaVey had to make the people believe that he does not believe in the Devil as a real entity but as a symbol, so he can fool and deceive the masses. He knew the Devil is the Father of All Lies (as Jesus calls Him), that's why he made Satanism an official religion using a lie... That they don't worship Satan, but instead they believe in Him as a symbol.

However, it's obvious that he was just telling this but did not follow it, that's why he invoked demons, made rituals in the Devil's name and many more. With this, someone would believe that LaVey was a Theistic Satanist. No... Theistic Satanists have their own beliefs about the Devil and do not believe in the Bible.

LaVey believed in both God and Satan of the Bible and was worshiping Satan (I can prove it if you want).

We see that LaVey was actually a Diabolist with a special ideology. I guess he had never read any old Diabolic scriptures or... He had his own reasons to believe not to them.

Maybe the term "LaVeyan Satanism" should stop to exist... Because LaVey was not a LaVeyan Satanist.

Wow, how some have a talent in twisting things or lets say a way of seeing things differently from others ..lol..
Yes, we all are unique in the way we see things, that's been proven once again...!

this is a mine field...

i don't believe in a literal heaven and hell... but now some say LaVey did, which would make TSB debunked.

Don't you think that the term "LaVeyan Satanism" is wrong since LaVey was not a LaVeyan? (I guess you don't want me to prove it... Nobody asked me to)

Guess what... Ideologically you are only atheists, not Satanists... And since not even LaVey believed in these teachings... You are still atheists and nothing more.

Look at this video:

YouTube - RD15 - Laveyan vs. Theistic Satanist

- Well, you should know that Satanism is about rejecting the ideas of religion, the belief in God and the imposed morality as it applies to sexual conventions.
- That's called atheism, you retard.
- But I'm not an atheist! I'm a Satanist!
- Okay, let me put it in another way... Do you believe in God?
- No.
- Then you are an atheist.
- No! I'm a Satanist because I reject the religious belief in God!
- I don't think you have a very real grasp on the English language.

First, they are not atheistic Satanists, they are just atheists.

And... secondly, the fact that although we know there is Something that created the universe and this Something had to put some rules to It's creations or else they would destroy themselves soonner or later, so It certainly appeared to us and It's obviously one of the many Gods people believe in... This does not mean Christians are ignorant because they believe in Something and you deny to believe because you are weak anarchists who don't wanna commit to any rules that will make themselves and the whole society better.

No-thing calculated distances and created everything so wisely? Didn't you know already that the One who created the universe has to be wise in order to do that? I know you know that, you just don't want to admit it because you are an anarchist just like every atheist and you are unable to follow just any rules that will make your life and the world you live in better.