Thread: LaVeyan Satanism and Anarchism

Has anyone else noticed how anarchism is so close to LaVeyanism. People like Max Stirner with his "Egoism", Benjamin R. Tucker, Prodhoun with his "Mutualism" and Mikhail Bakunins, all of them usually display opinions wich are very much alike LaVeys.

A book im thinking about, God and the state, wrote by Bakunin is certainly a great book and i recommend all Laveyans to read it (infact i recommend it for everyone who have the slightest interest in politics, philosphy or theism).

Now to the questions.

Was LaVey an anarchist? Was there any connection at all between him and his beliefs and anarchism? Are there any LaVeyans on this site that are anarchists or symphatize/wish to know more about anarchism?

Maybe Laveys philosophy has a link with anarchism, maye it doesnt. Instead of asking what we think about it, you should ask youself what YOU think about it...what is YOU interpretation?

WARNING: I am very critical of Judaism as a cultural influence here. It is not racism and not "hate" speech, but a sincere observation of an identifiable cultural (not racial) influence.
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Anton La Vey was, and this is well known and easily verifiable, very much inspired by Ayn Rand (Alisa Rosenbaum is her real name).
And I think to a fault.
As far as I'm concerned, Anton La Vey was not just a Jew by birth and family. His typical Jewish suburbanism stuck with him all the way through his periods of so-called independence. Because, for the Jew, there is nothing more supreme than the domestic family setting, it is all but impossible for Jews to feel emancipated into the world as individuals. This explains Jewish Sigmund Freud's unbelievably Jew-arrogant and ridiculous explanation of man as a product of his Bourgois suburban experiences in the family with mommy and daddy (falling in love with mommy and feeling rivalry with daddy, which could only happen in a Euro-Bourgois suburban "home") and his fear of Oedipus (the work, not the character).
If this seems like a widely cast net, go check yourself for reality testing by resort to some suburban conventional orthodoxy and stop thinking Jewish.
Like most suburban spoiled children, when the suburban conventions replace the Godspace, of course the result is a godless illusion of comfort in the "neighborhood," and we all know the variants of this - even Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street show us very significant examples in our contemporary urban cosmos.
BE PATIENT. HERE IS HOW IT RELATES TO LA VEY (who really should be called LEVEY, with his Jewish Levite name):
We'll never know much about what the Jews of Exodus were like, but we can see that the overtraditional overorthodox unenlightened uninsightful myopia of Jews noted in the Gospels is everpresent in the European diaspora. I am sure that the general antipaganism of post-Roman Europe (with or without Jewish assistance or presence) lent itself very heavily toward what we might call a cellular or nuclear suburban "home setting" that would all but obliterate the larger cosmos.
But it is clear that the overheld tightness of the Ghetto homespace left even less room. The Jew is born into an over-revered house space and community space, which is thoroughly sesame street city-boy infantile and I would say endearingly GOOFY.
From there, a Jew may physically go to war abroad, or hike across Alaskan wilderness, or whatever... PHYSICALLY he may... but not in spirit.
With him he takes the overemphasized pleasantries of the excruciatingly BENIGN childhood neighborhood space, so that wild beasts are seen as "having their dinner" instead of ravaging other animals, or so that a severe storm is seen as "delightfully exciting" instead of mercilessly withering.
Maybe Nietzsche was right to note traces of Chandala or Slave in the Jew, as preventing a sense of grandeur only known to noble people, and Jews are anything but noble. Sure they are relentless, sure they are almost shockingly vain, but noble people cannot bauble-ize the world as Jews do.
So it is NO SURPRISE that neither Ayn Rand nor Anton Levey could reach the loftier supernatural gravitas that people like Nietzsche and Crowley were able to face, whether adeptly or awkwardly.
They may have cited these two Gentiles as inspiration, but neither Levey nor Rand (real name Rosenbaum) were able to do what any real Pagan human must do to be HUMAN: and that is see the world as completely ALIVE.
No, not in any realistic respectful sense is the world one's "oyster," and it is so easy to hear that ridiculous metaphor in a petty Jewish accent.
Life is not all a childish AMUSEMENT, and this is the obvious shortfall of Rand and Levey.
They failed to recognize supernatural, not even (I don't think) from the enlightened perspective that all magick is within nature. The traditional meaning of supernatural is SUPREMELY important, not because I believe magick and spirit defy nature, no, not because of that. But rather because the Bourgeois Imperialist lowercase "nature" is the "nature" used to define "SUPERNATURAL."
And the wise among us KNOW that the ordinary term supernatural just means CAPITAL "NATURAL," the real natural.
Ayn Rand took not only pains, as did LaVey (read him and prove it to yourself), to regard the world as without any supernatural reality, THEY WERE PROUD OF IT.
And like most Jews, like Sigmund Freud and maybe even Einstein, they really took pleasure in what I would call NORMALIZING the universe, which is exactly the spirit of all monotheism and anti paganism. It's a weak manner of regarding the cosmos, and it not only reinforces any protoPaganism in us, it also decapitalizes or diminishes MAN into lowercase letters.
This antinobility is extremely widespread today, having vanquished the social sciences and philosophy in the 20th century in the forms of BOTH post-modernism AND anglophone philosophy, even in neo-pragmatism.
With this in mind, revisit the spirit of Hilary Putnam, Noam Chomsky, Jaques Derrida, Seinfeld, Woody Allen, Alan Greenspan, Bob Dylan (no ****), and countless other suburban jew-weenies ... who I must say are not exactly destroying anything.
Anyone who goes along with this sense of life is part of the problem and not a victim.
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DISCLAIMER: It is wrong to take Jewish mandates against "defamation" and use them to prevent honest social critique. The Jew may not use the Nazi war crimes as a shield to immunize himself from valid social critique. Jews REMAIN unable to assimilate and they constantly and relentlessly INFLUENCE social space. It is pure bullying to insist on that kind of influence with a roving exemption from social critique through the shrill shriek of "defamation."
As any lawyer will tell you, the truth of the matter asserted is a defense against a defamation claim --- AND I really do not hate Jews. Seriously.

I recommend reading Dr. Aquino's statement on the CoS and Anton, it will clear up many misunderstandings

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf

very very interesting

While I want to learn more about Aquino's take, and of course his observations are crucial since he was so close to Levey, I also think it is good to know well one's own intuitions - the intuitions that come from one's self.

Because the so-called occult imports a lot of inverted morals and anti-spirituality from the Bourgeois anti-animist anti-Pagan mindset, it is easy to fall into orthodoxies, even in the one place that pretends to offer something finally real to people whose intuitions are already strong.

Thanks for your post.

ok I read enough of your Aquino material to see that Aquino is way too obsessed wi9th being polite and precise and well-footnoted, like he is desperate to have legitimacy.. and what kind of legitimacy would this be?
You guessed it, good old fashioned suburban Bourgeois legitimacy, which makes him a fake Pagan.
I am very disappointed.
Don't expect me hanging around this poser site any longer.

We can all find ways to disagree in a more constructive and mature way, rather than lowering oneself to imature opinions, especially about a subject that one has very limited knowledge about.
Reading only part of something and then coming out with an opinion, well, it seems, that some has still a way to go, if knowledge and insight is the goal. But then again we are all different and have our own unique journey, where the goal might not be the same.

Regarding Nietzsche, it is true that he may have sensed traces of the Chandala in the Jew, but the same could be said of his thoughts regarding any religious group, and he was certainly not an anti-Semite. His public feud with one time friend Richard Wagner over the latter's anti-Semitic views illustrates this. And I'm not trying to nit-pick, but what exactly do you mean by referencing his "supernatural gravitas?" I'm just curious here, as Nietzsche would have seen anything "supernatural" in the context that it is commonly understood as being essentially a product of the Slave or Herd Morality that he so vehemently opposed.

Stay ontopic please.

I have another question, since the view of satanism is so close to anarchism, especielly max stirner. Are any of you satanists on this forum anarchists?

Originally Posted by tram

Has anyone else noticed how anarchism is so close to LaVeyanism. People like Max Stirner with his "Egoism", Benjamin R. Tucker, Prodhoun with his "Mutualism" and Mikhail Bakunins, all of them usually display opinions wich are very much alike LaVeys.

A book im thinking about, God and the state, wrote by Bakunin is certainly a great book and i recommend all Laveyans to read it (infact i recommend it for everyone who have the slightest interest in politics, philosphy or theism).

Now to the questions.

Was LaVey an anarchist? Was there any connection at all between him and his beliefs and anarchism? Are there any LaVeyans on this site that are anarchists or symphatize/wish to know more about anarchism?

Around the time I converted to LaVeyan Satanism I also changed to anarchism. I see you noticed the relationship as well. It's a matter of opinion, though I will give my answer. I personally believe politics is garbage. So what better belief should one have but Anarchism? The lack of laws and government power. It doesn't surprise me, LaVey believing in self worship rather than a higher power or deity. It really is Anarchism in disguise.

-Forsaken

I apologize in advance for breaking any rules if I did. I just joined the site today.