Thread: Is it possible

Originally Posted by Isabeau

Lord deliver me. propose all you want and stay in your fantasy world. why are we having such a mundane and silly discussion on a serious occult forum with the high caliber of members here? when i last looked we were not you tube or a role playing forum.

I'm sorry Miss.Isabeau,I didn't mean to cause this mess.I am actually trying to learn.I didn't think it would cause one of Criss Angel's fans to start an argument like this.

Originally Posted by QueenBeeBeeMarie

I'm sorry Miss.Isabeau,I didn't mean to cause this mess.I am actually trying to learn.I didn't think it would cause one of Criss Angel's fans to start an argument like this.

actually for the record i dont like criss angel . Im defending illusion as a form of magic , and you have nothing to apologize for . We are simply disagreeing on what constitutes magic and a occult forum and this topic is a good place for it however it does not seem they wish to debate the issue so its over , no mess about it .

real magic is the creation of reality. illusion is veiling reality.

chris angel is in the vein of con men, but ones who give's your wallet back.

Originally Posted by zero

real magic is the creation of reality. illusion is veiling reality.

chris angel is in the vein of con men, but ones who give's your wallet back.

The reality the illusionist is attempting to create is not to make your wallet vanish but to create amazement a show and to get payed which is all real there for reality and there for he has conformed reality to his will .

yes he is a payed entertainer.

phf, next your going to tell me professional wrestling is a fraud??? lol

but seriously, what are you going to call yourselves when empirical evidence can bring to light all the psychoactive parts of ritual? when in a couple decades science and magic share the same definition, as they did earlier in human history?

Originally Posted by zero

real magic is the creation of reality. illusion is veiling reality.

chris angel is in the vein of con men, but ones who give's your wallet back.

So will none of you attempt to define magic scenes Crowlys definition you seem to disagree with ?

Yes the illusionist created a REAL vail over reality as was his goal . So than this stills fits your definition of creating reality . I maybe wrong but it seems you are implying magic is telling the truth all the time which seems to me more about ethics in magic and not magic it self . And if telling the truth all the time and revealing how things are done was apart of it than would the word occult it self not lose its meaning ? Would there not be detailed directions on how to levitate or other such abilities ?

If revealing the truth was so important to what magic is would you be avoiding the questions i have asked instead of side stepping them with everyone of your posts ?

What do you consider magic than ?

Originally Posted by zero

yes he is a payed entertainer.

So lets say i can levitate , and i go out on the street and levitate , and i mean no tricks , im really doing it . And say i put out a hat and passerbuyers throw some coins in to sed hat , because they are entertained by my levitating , is this not magic cause im using it to entertain and potentially make money ?

And is illusion not used for none entertainment purpose ? Say camouflage ? disguises ? in WW2 an illusionist caused the Luftwaffe to totally miss there targets saving a city from destruction .

You are actually levitating,so that would be magic.Criss uses a crane and camera angles (or I heard he has some kind of suit that he controls with his stomach muscles) to trick people.Therefore,he is not using authentic magic and just street or fake magic.
Real magic is you see what you get and no illusions or behind the scenes tricks are used.

I honestly,don't think I can explain it any better to you...

Originally Posted by QueenBeeBeeMarie

You are actually levitating,so that would be magic.Criss uses a crane and camera angles (or I heard he has some kind of suit that he controls with his stomach muscles) to trick people.Therefore,he is not using authentic magic and just street or fake magic.
Real magic is you see what you get and no illusions or behind the scenes tricks are used.

I honestly,don't think I can explain it any better to you...

You are missing the point . It is a REAL illusion yes , we are not debating if criss can levitate , he can not , he uses a fake leg that hangs were his leg should be and uses his real foot to step up on a ledge or what ever is available . This is how he does the street levitation .

Real magic is not defined by " you get what you see" . All magic works for a reason . If so than the answer is no , no one can levitate . The human body simply does not produce and force capable of it and was not designed/evolved too . Light as a feather stiff as a board ? No , the way this is done is that the people are lifting the person up on the tips of there fingers wail in a light trance , the affect achieved seems like the person feels light and is easy to lift but they never leave your fingers . IT IS ALSO AN ILLUSION .

Magic is conforming reality to your will . You wanna levitate ? you will need a anti-gravity device or go to space . Both of which will take immense amount of conforming reality to your will .