Thread: Is it possible

You really wanna learn magic ? Than learn to open your mind first . There is no rule that magic has to be esoteric . This is also an illusion used by cult leaders and there ilk to hide the fact that they got nothing to teach you . Magic is about producing effects in the real world , pulling things from the microcosmic inner plain into the macrocosmic reality . Its when the mind body and spirit work together to achieve great things . Its about being able to identify sources of power , understanding them and learning to bind them to your will . Its about having an understanding of reality so great that you can commune with your surroundings . Its about REAL skill .

it seems to me that illusion and magic do share similarities...
magic could be described as the utilisation of forces or mechanics unknown to the general populace to achieve some end.
illusion does just that albeit with different forces.
I'd say the more adept you are at manipulating reality, the more it would seem a similar artform to illusion.
is there really so much difference between Qi and invisible wires?

I suppose we all use magic then in that regard. so if i work at a steel fabrication shop and for metal to my desire via the clients/my own specification I am performing magic?

No,I got that but you don't seem to get that an illusion is not magic.

Originally Posted by zero

I suppose we all use magic then in that regard. so if i work at a steel fabrication shop and for metal to my desire via the clients/my own specification I am performing magic?

Yes .(Mind) The object was first in your head/minds eye/astral plain what ever name you use , Than you used skill/wisdom/intelligence/the knowledge so often called power ( binding power being a central theme here ) what ever mental powers you have /psychic powers you have ( Definition : of or relating to the soul or mind ) Root being psychi : this has nothing to do with unexplainable abilities unless you simply dont understand them in which case they would be mystifying to you EX: mathematician/architect/masons who could build castles back in the day were considered a kind of magician as were physicians : masters of the healing arts ( cause these things were a rare skill ) . problem is wen they become to widely know they are not considered mystifying anymore and they become considered mundane which is sad because people dont pursue them with as much devotion .)

( Body/spirit) Now you are forging the object , You are collecting the reagents and binding them to form a body for the thing in your mind , you imbue it with meaning , your style , you can build a difficult thing that takes time cause your spirit is resilient , strong , wise etc . With out your spirit in it is nothing but random matter . You have turned a thought into a material thing , separate of a human mind and its parts it was not what it is now .

You have successfully manifested/ conjured / bent ( not broke ) reality to your will to make a tool to further your ability to bend reality to your will .

There are other kind totally different from this though like having a wisdom/understanding so great about a thing you can commune with it like for instance a park ranger or druid might have about nature .

Some people seem to have the idea that i dont consider things like the law of attraction or Sympathetic etc as real magic . I do , but they are not what magic is . We would probably disagree as to the why and how they work though .

Funny how your the one telling me to open my mind when it seems your the one who closed it to anything not in one of them new fangled occult books from the mall book store . And im sorry but magic takes real skill and strong personal attributes to be strong .

It seems to me that magic here is being defined as something mystical / esoteric / unknown to most but that would only be what occult means . What happens when lets say sympathetic magic becomes well understood ? Is it no longer magic ? No its just no longer as mystical / mystifying . Things only become mundane when you stop appreciating them . Or when there is no longer a mind around ( or too dull a mind ) to animate them , to share life with them .

You say magic is super natural . I agree . Examine the word SUPER NATURAL . NATURAL but super , a enhanced natural ability , enhanced through strong personal attributes and so the illusionist took some thing we all can innately do ( conceal reality ( like a lie )) and practiced and learned skills handed down to be able to SUPER conceal reality . The guy working steel is the same way . So is your doctor , he is a wizard of the human body . So is the math wiz etc etc etc

Magic can be a part of a religion but is not a religion , there is no Dogma the dogma belongs to the religion and religion is usually a product of magic . It is a vary broad thing , and to some degree innate in all intelligent beings but the true mage is an artist at it , he studies and experiments and is vary scientifically minded about it . Truth is another power to bind for him self . . . Magic becomes a part of his whole life and vary way of thinking . He surfs reality wail some swim but most only learn to wade and others drown . He is strong and rules your entire society and you probably dont even see them cause of there illusions that allow them invisibility . They "vail reality". ( Not all do some abstain completely others some were in between .) . Im sorry but you cant put magic in a box and label it unless you use a vary broad label , but that might not even do it .

Originally Posted by kid kunjer

it seems to me that illusion and magic do share similarities...
magic could be described as the utilisation of forces or mechanics unknown to the general populace to achieve some end.
illusion does just that albeit with different forces.
I'd say the more adept you are at manipulating reality, the more it would seem a similar artform to illusion.
is there really so much difference between Qi and invisible wires?

The core of illusion is understanding human perception not invisible wires

Also by saying "different forces" you are implying magic is limited to certain forces , if so than which ones and why ? Please dont give a generic or unspecific answer like SUPER NATURAL or PARANORMAL ones . I spoke to that in the post above . well super natural anyway .

Belasko , I dont think you have heard a word i have said . No one said criss is actually doing those things , try reading before posting rather than just posting based on what your friends have said maybe ? The guy calls him self an illusionist , that should tell you right there its an illusion , thats not what we are debating .

Isabeau , no one said or implyed anything about super heros , soddex is the one talking about breaking physical laws with knowledge of nature unknown to science so that would really be the closest thing . First off breaking physical laws is no big deal they are generalization based on empirical observations which can be false to begin with , science often breaking its own laws . So what happens when science learns and understands these laws of nature ? Do they no longer count as magic then ? Do we not practice the occult science here ? Magic is a science and a art and more . Your definition of super natural as superior to nature ( above as you called it ) Same thing ) rather than superior nature contradicts your argument that magic is using laws of nature to break physical laws . Are they laws OF nature or are they superior to nature ?

Originally Posted by Belasko

BLiGHTERGHAST, Now I will answer yes you can learn to levitate, and yes it has been done and is possible by experienced and knowledgeable magickians. Do you think it hasn't been done? Know this, no one in his right mind is going to tell anyone how it is accomplished. I can't deal with this guy anymore.

Wait,why not?I really want to know.

Oh,okay.I will just respect his wishes then.

Originally Posted by QueenBeeBeeMarie

Wait,why not?I really want to know.

Beacause he cant . Beacause there is an element of illusion used by most magicians , they just hate the fact that im saying it out loud . See now if you wanna know you have to join his order , and that hook is the real intent .
Makes it all seem so mystirous and deep .

Oh boy ima get blasted for saying that lol . Its ok , its amusing how they mostly just attack me rather than debate the point and when they do they contradict each other and even them selves . More expiriance than me ? HA! i seriously dout it .

The closest thing to levitation would be haveing a higher dementional being lift you up , kinda like simon magus . Good luck with that though . An anti-gravity device would be a better rout in my opinion . Just be careful the last guy who had one had to go into hidding cause he got stoned for being a witch down in Florida .