Thread: The Meaning of Lucifer.

Does your friend have anything to back this up?
I believe that is a LDS/Mormon theory, which in turn has nothing to back it up.

Originally Posted by Isabeau

i do not see Lucifer as the serpent, in fact i have a friend who says that Lucifer was really the true son of god, and Jesus was second best. he said Jesus was a metaphor for sacrifice and Lucifer will come back to claim his place once again.

This is really interesting , as I have grown up with the speculation, that Lucifer was working through Jesus or that Jesus was in fact Lucifer. I don't know at this point where the theory comes from, as in a book etc. but I'll look into it more and keep reading .
What I posted on Lucifer earlier, was one that I found in one of M.W. Fords writings and it now explains to me, why after moving to Australia and growing up in Finland attending a Rudolf Steiner school, I had such a different concept of Lucifer, than people here.

Also, Rudolf Steiner was German, that did study a lot, old faiths and mythologies, etc....Rudolf Steiner has also written a lot. The writings however, seems quite dry and so much to grasp, so I'll have to take it in small increments.

Good to see though, so many versions posted....

Yes, it is a very intersting and a complex subject, the more you delv into it.

Still there seems to be most of the time a common thread that runs through, with the concept of Lucifer, when looking at the different versions .

I suppose at the end of the day, one has to make sense of what is what and what of any of it, means anything to oneself...

Yes, I beleive this to be true. One has to make up their own mind about everything they've read in the end...The orginal beleifs will always be the most authentic and ring true, it seems to me, so far ...

It's normal to see commons between Jesus and Lucifer... Because Lucifer is Jesus' brother. He was supposed to be the first Messiah. And, I guess He saw Satan falling after He fell, because He was not existed when Satan fell.

(Maybe with the same way used by Satan to teleported Him from the desert to the mountain)

Where do you get this information from?

Originally Posted by Kain

It's normal to see commons between Jesus and Lucifer... Because Lucifer is Jesus' brother. He was supposed to be the first Messiah. And, I guess He saw Satan falling after He fell, because He was not existed when Satan fell.

(Maybe with the same way used by Satan to teleported Him from the desert to the mountain)

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

Where do you get this information from?

The Bible and then by my head after some thinking...

I don't see much in common between the Judeo-Christian Lucifer and Jesus.
I've only read this brother concept in Mormon scripture.
I've never read of Lucifer being any kind of Messiah
I can't see Lucifer watching Satan doing anything because in Judeo-Christian terms they are One and the Same (Lucifer/Angel - Satan/Fallen)
Lucifer came fri

Originally Posted by Kain

It's normal to see commons between Jesus and Lucifer... Because Lucifer is Jesus' brother. He was supposed to be the first Messiah. And, I guess He saw Satan falling after He fell, because He was not existed when Satan fell.

(Maybe with the same way used by Satan to teleported Him from the desert to the mountain)

>>The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent.

Helel was a king of Babylon. Not Satan. There's no such character as the Luciferic devil. He's made up. The reference in Isaiah is to the Babylonian king not a devil. The name Lucifer does not show up at all in the old or new testament.

So anyone who claims to follow Lucifer is massively under educated on the subject.

I recall an Illuminati whistleblower called Svali pointed out that the Illuminati were Luciferians and not Satanists. Big error, lady.

Unless these people worship Venus.

Of course this doesn't mean Lucifer isn't real. You could probably conjure him, or a version of him. A tulpa. But still horny.

Surely Satan would be Jesus' son and brother. As Jesus was supposed to be his own father.