Thread: The Meaning of Lucifer.

Jesus is the son of God, or else why would He sacrifice Himself for humans sins? Who told Him to be crucified? Himself? Of course not. He is the son of God, not God Himself.

About Lucifer... You are wrong. Babylon is a symbol of an evil kingdom. You must understand that many things are metaphors in the Bible. It's obvious the God speaks about an angel when He says that He crushed Him to the earth. Besides, He calls Him "Cherub". How can He call a king "Cherub"?

It's just because Lucifer was the Father-Cherub who fell from Heaven and became the Devil.

So for you, the Judeo-Christian bible is the Truth?

Originally Posted by albie

>>The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent.

Helel was a king of Babylon. Not Satan. There's no such character as the Luciferic devil. He's made up. The reference in Isaiah is to the Babylonian king not a devil. The name Lucifer does not show up at all in the old or new testament.

So anyone who claims to follow Lucifer is massively under educated on the subject.

I recall an Illuminati whistleblower called Svali pointed out that the Illuminati were Luciferians and not Satanists. Big error, lady.

Unless these people worship Venus.

Of course this doesn't mean Lucifer isn't real. You could probably conjure him, or a version of him. A tulpa. But still horny.

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

So for you, the Judeo-Christian bible is the Truth?

Yes. I've already said that. I am a Christian (both Orthodox and Catholic).

Most if not all of us that have followed a Luciferian path do not agree with anything that this bible says.

I for one find that book to be nothing more than an abridged version of the all the World's myths and folklore compiled (eventually) into a concise, distorted and biased Hero-Myth epic.

A book of Allegories and Metaphors. There is no historical facts that Jesus or Moses ever existed.

Originally Posted by Kain

Jesus is the son of God, or else why would He sacrifice Himself for humans sins? Who told Him to be crucified? Himself? Of course not. He is the son of God, not God Himself.

About Lucifer... You are wrong. Babylon is a symbol of an evil kingdom. You must understand that many things are metaphors in the Bible. It's obvious the God speaks about an angel when He says that He crushed Him to the earth. Besides, He calls Him "Cherub". How can He call a king "Cherub"?

It's just because Lucifer was the Father-Cherub who fell from Heaven and became the Devil.

In what translation of Isaiah 14:3-20 does it refer to the Babylonian King Helel Ben-Shachar as a cherub?

Why would they use metaphor for Lucifer when they talk about the devil plainly elsewhere in the bible? It makes no sense. The name 'Lucifer' is an error created by Jews between writing of the Old and New Testament. It is NOT the devil's name, anymore than Baalzebub or Moloch.

unless satan had actually reincarnated as that particular king.

As for God being Jesus' father. does God have a genetic code to pass on? Why would he? We are all God, we are all one mind split into many. God is just a big clump of that mind that we come from. Satan is a clump that is bigger than a man, and he wants to keep us seperated from the God clump.

But that is how jesus can be God and his own son. He pulls off a bit of himself, a living version, smaller but still him. The word 'son' is misleading but it suffices for the average moron living 2000 years ago.

I might add that maybe the Illuminati deliberatley worship a FAKE devil in the same way that Alan Moore worships his Glycon fake snake god. Consciously admitting that the process of worship demands an icon set above mankind to absorb the emotions of worship(love and fear).

Babylone symbolizes an evil kingdom that's why Issaiah calls Lucifer a king of Babylone. But how can a king say that he is going "to be like the Most High"?

"Lucifer is another name for Satan, who as head of the evil world-system is the real, though invisible, power behind the successive rulers of Tyre, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, and all of those evil rulers that we have seen come and go in the history of the world. This passage goes beyond human history and marks the beginning of sin in the universe and the very fall of Satan in the pristine, sinless spheres before the creation of man."

And... In Ezekiel, the God says:

"Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."


And then we have the book of Enoch's Satanael and Jesus saying "I saw Satan falling like lightning from Heaven!".

Originally Posted by albie

God is just a big clump of that mind that we come from. Satan is a clump that is bigger than a man, and he wants to keep us seperated from the God clump.

But that is how jesus can be God and his own son. He pulls off a bit of himself, a living version, smaller but still him. The word 'son' is misleading but it suffices for the average moron living 2000 years ago.

I wouldn't say that Satan wishes to keep us separated from the God clump, but rather gives us another choice that the God clump never intended for us to have, and that is to be a god.

Does this mean Jesus was on the Left Hand Path of Self-Deification?

Well put fatalist!
May I ask if the Hermetic Kybalion and its understanding of dualism figures in with your beliefs? (just a quick derailment, sorry)

Originally Posted by fatalist

I agree with you EtuMalku that the Bible is based on the world's myths and folklore. I don't think that Jesus necessarily existed, and if he did, he was simply a mystic. A mystic teaching humility and unconditional love, RHP principles. I think that such mystics will always come from time to time if the Macrocosm necessitates it.

Lucifer to me symbolizes ambition, strife, mortality, and ability to choose/think/pass judgement. To me, these characteristics are LHP in principle and are in rebellion to Jesus' teachings and to the "God of suppliance". For these reasons, I don't think Jesus is to be equated with Lucifer as a messaih, atleast not in the same sense.

I am a dualist and my belief that there are 2 primary polar forces in nature means that there are essentially only 2 camps of orientation. For this reason, to me Lucifer and Satan are either the one and the same, or are already in the same camp. So it doesn't really matter.

I have a different view on Lucifer, but first I would like to address the Abrahamic Lucifer being spoken of here.

As there are always two sides to every story, I would prefer to see the Fall of Lucifer from His side. An angel that would see there was considerably more to existence than what the Abrahamic God allowed to be known. An angel who imparted this Knowledge to Mankind and thus enraged the jealous and spiteful Abrahamic God, who in retaliation banished Lucifer from Heaven.

That said, I do not to define 'my' Lucifer in the biased definition set forth by the Abrahamic religions, in particularly Christianity. By understanding Lucifer in 'their' light, you have succumbed to 'their' interpretation and twist on Him.