Thread: Lucifer beeing channeled?

Originally Posted by Soddex

Still you use the Second Book of Enoch as a source. My question is how can it be a source of facts. What makes it valid?

I am not critising you, I just love to know...

It just completes the story of the fallen angels and its doing it with the best way.

I mean, we see the Great Dragon of Revelation who is strong and fallen from Heaven with His angels and He is called "Satan". In the Book of Enoch we see an archangel called "Satanael" who is also fallen from Heaven with His angels. It just completes the story.

In this point you'll just have to choose if you believe in it's words or not.

Originally Posted by Soddex

Well, I will indeed read it. But I also have to say that source criticism is a little more important to me than to most of other people I meet and talk to.

Yes but you must know that faith is always required. It's a fact we, humans cannot explain everything alone, so faith is necessary in order to discover the truth.

Originally Posted by Soddex

But as I wrote some posts above: "Every truth has two sides; it is as well to look at both, before we commit ourselves to either"

Yes and I agree. I'm just saying that the book of Enoch completes the story of Lucifer which should be completed. I mean, if we don't believe in the Book of Enoch there will be many things about the most important angel (and enemy) of God that we wouldn't know.

And... Sorry if it's a little off-topic but I guess Amy would like it (and others perhaps). In the Bible, we see Jesus defeating the Devil in the desert by denying to make a miracle in order to eat and then in the mountain, where the Devil brought Him magically and offered Him power over all kingdoms of the earth. He would be the leader of every single one of them plus He would not be crucified... If only He would kneel and worship the Devil. But He denied. So He defeated the Devil. However...

One of the 7 deadly sins the Devil brought to earth before He went to Hell, was the anger. And then, in the Bible we see Jesus getting angry when He saw what humans did in the temple of Solomon. Not only He got angry, but He broke everything. So... The Devil defeated Him.

Then, we see Him in the Cross saying "Father, why have you forsaken me?". The Devil made Him question the God. So He defeats Him again.

Obviously the claim that if you go to church the Devil will never be able to harm you is a lie. And... of course, everybody can fight with the Devil. But this fight is not about winning, it's about resisting. You can't resist completely and you can't win but you must do your best so you will be a righteous man. And when everything ends, you will have the joy of the man who knows he did well.

When we do good things we resist to the Devil. When we do evil things He attacks us and we are unable to resist. Nobody wins this fight, but we are searching for the man who is able to resist the most (not to win). For everybody makes evil deeds sometimes.

Originally Posted by kkkhhh555

hey!!Thats one of my favorite storys about jesus,where he went into the temple and broke everything,yayah!But that doesnt mean he defeated him,Jesus was making the temple what it was suppose to be.Jesus had a right to kick some ass for God,that dont mean the devil put anger into him,he is god's son,and God isn't always known for his love and compassion,he damn sure set people straight many times.Anywho,Kain you didnt answer me earlier so ill ask you here,do you know how i can talk one on one with that man,you know who Im talkin about?

I answered. There is his e-mail in the left of the page in the blog.

According to the Christian tradition before the Devil left Heaven and Earth, He left behind 7 deadly sins. One of them is the Anger. So Anger is something that the Devil "created". And we see Jesus getting angry... So I believe yes, He defeats Him in that part and He also defeats Him in the other part that makes Him believe that God forsaken Him on the Cross.

Only the Devil makes people question their God, that's why He is called a Slander (That's what "Devil" means in Greek). Because He slanders God in the eyes of the humans and makes their hearts get away from Him.

So, Jesus felt two feelings that were "created" by the Devil and only the Devil puts them inside the humans hearts.

Why are we talking about Jesus in a Luciferian thread?

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

Why are we talking about Jesus in a Luciferian thread?

I said it may be considered as off-topic by some. But I believe Lucifer is the Devil and I spoke about the conflict between the Devil and Jesus Christ in the Bible. So for me it's not off-topic.

Originally Posted by kkkhhh555

Jesus is never off-topic girl

We wouldn't have this conversation if there wasn't Jesus so I guess He is never off-topic...

Originally Posted by kkkhhh555

Bammm-Good point

Yes, thank you my dear.

Satan absorbs negative energy. maybe jesus wasn't healing anyone, maybe Satan was healing those people by munching up their darkness.

I would have to disagree. I have worked with lucifer and channelled him, as well as the brahman, sophia, satan, and a number of other so called "untouchable" entities. The brain is nothing more than an electro-chemical network capable of being manipulated just like any other. In fact, the quantum movements of electrons in the brain is theoretically easier to manipulate than any other bodily system. Channeling is nothing more than allowing one's synapses to be usurped by an entity that is not one's self, in essence "lending" your brain meat to a spirit that is not your own "soul." Traditional religions are notorious for attaching sacredness to everything, claiming that some spirit or entity is beyond the reach of the mortal mind. I would think that those of a satanic or luciferian bent would be beyond such things. Channeling Lucifer is not impossible, nor is it particularly difficult. The mind of the channeller has to be ready for the changes that such an undertaking would cause but the brain can not be "overloaded" by lucifer's consiousness. Even your own higher consiousness is beyond your brain's ability to comprehend. The cup only holds what it holds. A channeling of lucifer would result in an incomplete understanding of the entity due to the fact that only so much of his cosmic consciousness will fit into the mind of the channel but that is the worst of your worries. I encourage the bold among you to cast aside the idea that lucifer or any other being is to sacred or powerful to channel and try it for yourself. It is an enlightening, if incomplete, experience.