Thread: Losing Hope

I know this may be wrong of me to make my first post in this section, but I need someone to talk to about these things.


First I walked into the occult world(or science im not really sure what its technically called) when i was googling randomly(as i often do) and came across a Book(or grimoire once again not to sure about the specifics) Called

The Lemegeton Clavicula Salomonis ('The Lesser Key of Solomon')


I thought it sounded FuCCn awesome summon sum demons(or evoke or whatever) to do my bidding and make me sum money(I mean Greeds in human nature isnt it?)

Little did i know there was a plethora of similar grimoires that detailed similar
instructions to summoning angels, demons , daemons ,spirits ,entities(aswell as the entire underworld)

To name a few Grimorium Verum or the book of Truth ,

Mathers, MacGregor - The Sacred Book Of Abramelin The Mage ,

Scheibel, Johann - The Sixth Book of Moses(and seventh )

The Grimoire Of Honorius

(a Few i didnt name but have also read, Doctor Faust coercion of Hell, a Few by Arthur edward waite, one by sybilly.)


Okay so after reading all that i decided id do a little more Research and try a few of the experiments.

.......3 weeks later after following the time days, prayers , fasting, Working my @ss off making different Circles for each experiment ordering different ingredients(incense among other things) and losing about two weeks worth of pay(and thats alot for a 19 ear old such as myself)


I Tried a few.... and they all ended in Failures ive seen NOTHING , NONE ,Nada, Zip


Visual apparitions What so ever......


And i followed every Dam one to a T. My question is does ANYONE out there or has ANYONE seen Any Apparition by doing any ritual or evocation whatsoever and if so please by all means point me in the right direction guys
IM dead broke im gettin kikd outta my apartment this weekend for failure to pay rent

Pease help me any advice would be appreciated.

Greed is a path, whether you choose to partake in it or not is a choice that is left to you. Yes I have seen angels.

My advice is based on working with Plant Spirits - you have to be patient and form a relationship of mutual trust. It's not always as simple as reading and regurgitating someone else's work, you have to feel that connection and pay dues as you go. Best luck to you.

You can't ''see'' spirits because no one can see them with their physical eyes. They may see energy form. They may get to a state of mind (through sleep deprivation, drugs, lack of sleep, something) that causes a person to hallucinate (whose to say that the hallucination isn't real? The brain only see 15% of all input). A lot of rituals call for this. The other point is that you need to open your mind's eye. Futhermore, the spirits you summon will not always want what you offer... so you need to learn how to listen to them.

You might not be summoning them correctly. Your will might not also be effectively calling upon them as well.

The Astral Plane is a Star Gate, much like depicted in Stargate Atlantis.

just because the demon or spirit didnt physically manifest infront of your eyes does not mean it did not show up. thats why the banishing rituals usually follow rather the experiment was considered a success or not. in my understanding of manifestation (this is only my understanding) they have to use large amounts of energy to manifest. in eastern terms the energy is called qi and can be broken down into 2 types (even further into elements and colors) yin and yang. this is where the iconic yin/yang comes from. yang is hard physical energy (in the west its been called sun breath, warrior breath, heating energy, fire, and electric [not the same as electricity]). yin is soft spiritual energy also known as moon breath, sage breath, cooling energy, ice, and magnetic (once again not like scientific magnetism) usually it takes a large amount of yin energy to have a manifestation which can be achieved in two ways; first is by meditation to increase your own energy so you can literally give it to them and second is to find a spot that naturaly has an abudance such as ley lines or even more common a haunted area (these areas are haunted because of the concentration of energy). but once again this is only my understanding from my own research. also be careful the spiritual world is real its not a joke. our ancestors spent alot of there lives delved in the spirit world, intelligent people like you and me, not just superstitious pesents. so please be careful how you play with it. for a tiny bit more on energy and what you can do with it check out the mysteries of coral castle.

Originally Posted by Shaolin32

just because the demon or spirit didnt physically manifest infront of your eyes does not mean it did not show up. thats why the banishing rituals usually follow rather the experiment was considered a success or not. in my understanding of manifestation (this is only my understanding) they have to use large amounts of energy to manifest. in eastern terms the energy is called qi and can be broken down into 2 types (even further into elements and colors) yin and yang. this is where the iconic yin/yang comes from. yang is hard physical energy (in the west its been called sun breath, warrior breath, heating energy, fire, and electric [not the same as electricity]). yin is soft spiritual energy also known as moon breath, sage breath, cooling energy, ice, and magnetic (once again not like scientific magnetism) usually it takes a large amount of yin energy to have a manifestation which can be achieved in two ways; first is by meditation to increase your own energy so you can literally give it to them and second is to find a spot that naturaly has an abudance such as ley lines or even more common a haunted area (these areas are haunted because of the concentration of energy). but once again this is only my understanding from my own research. also be careful the spiritual world is real its not a joke. our ancestors spent alot of there lives delved in the spirit world, intelligent people like you and me, not just superstitious pesents. so please be careful how you play with it. for a tiny bit more on energy and what you can do with it check out the mysteries of coral castle.

Thank you for sharing this.

Just like any spirit, demons can concal themselves. Those of us who have been working with spirits a while can learn to sense their energies. This comes with tme.

PS: The key of Solomon is a freat book!