Thread: Christianity as a religion....

I agree, to bring the church down, it needs to be done with facts, knowledge and dignity. Though there is a lot more to this than I say, but I won't go into details.

As for "wwsorittyknowpoptoglove" it apears that the spelling mistakes and the fact that the "Matrix" is real, "robots" are taking over or whatever they go on about, I tend to ignore his posts.

Originally Posted by Deacan Lionsbane

I agree, to bring the church down, it needs to be done with facts, knowledge and dignity. Though there is a lot more to this than I say, but I won't go into details.

As for "wwsorittyknowpoptoglove" it apears that the spelling mistakes and the fact that the "Matrix" is real, "robots" are taking over or whatever they go on about, I tend to ignore his posts.

you are absoulfuckinluty right my man. i have dreamed of knockin the church off its not so holy throne and onto its lying ass. but as you say, it needs to be done right, because alot of ppl arent going to like their religion and faith base denounced. and damn there are alot of facts that the church fails to realize or comprehend.

I was troubled with this conflict for some time till i realized that christianity is just not a good religion the so called god seems power hungry and hipocritical for one for example god says do not sin with things such as lust but does not every relation ship start with lust without that know one would have desire to have a relationship. Plus god says do not murder under any curcumstances yet what does he do causes a flood and kills millions hmm something there seems fucked up to me. Another big deal i had is that the bible says do not do witchcraft or perform its arts is a sin well who was it that told us about these things like enochian language was passed down through angels to john dee and his collegue using scrying divination technique i believe that jesus may have been just another profit in history but somehow gathered more attention than others there are so many things in the bible that are just plain stupid but those are just a couple of my anger towards the whole religion in general.

Peace!

Bullfrogs is there something i have done to piss you off or what? I put my opinions and views in the post if ya dont like it i dont really care dont read it. I have done nothing to you i would appreciate it if you would show a little consideration.

Originally Posted by grim789

I was troubled with this conflict for some time till i realized that christianity is just not a good religion the so called god seems power hungry and hipocritical for one for example god says do not sin with things such as lust but does not every relation ship start with lust without that know one would have desire to have a relationship. Plus god says do not murder under any curcumstances yet what does he do causes a flood and kills millions hmm something there seems fucked up to me. Another big deal i had is that the bible says do not do witchcraft or perform its arts is a sin well who was it that told us about these things like enochian language was passed down through angels to john dee and his collegue using scrying divination technique i believe that jesus may have been just another profit in history but somehow gathered more attention than others there are so many things in the bible that are just plain stupid but those are just a couple of my anger towards the whole religion in general.

Peace!

im liking this alot.

Ha thank you MissRachel good to know someone sees how i do .

I use to be catholic alot of people can't tell the diffrences between the 2 theres really only 2 easily discernible differences and that would be what and what you can't do but anyway, i have ben to many christian\catholic churches all of them regurgitating the same garbage they have for the last couple of decades granted some are more enthusiastic about than others but the message is still the same "be good or i'll send you to hell and have you raped by big mean scary things".


the majority of people who go to these churches just feel bored, i had taken a survey once in my familys church of how many of them had put on a ipod or walkman during mass wanna take a geuss how many 97%, 62% of wich said they do it twice a week, it is basically dying soon enough christianity will be gone.

Christendom, as a whole, is a backwards doctrine on the entire populous, its dogma and doctrine set back the Western World neigh on a millennia (and still does to this day), based upon false truths (as there is only a small amount of evidence to say certain events did happen, and this seems to be flawed in a lot of cases) and fear of the unknown. It is responsible for the discrimination against a lot of issues, such as Colour or Creed or Sexuality, issues which do not concern any other but the person(s) directly involved. This mental attitude has spread through the Western World and has been adopted by other faiths. Take the Middle East for example, a lot of the people from there are friendly and kind and some of my friends come from these provinces, yet modernisation of their religions have included intolerance to a huge array of matters, though originally revered, females have been persecuted through the 'interpretations' of men.

For people to Interpretive a sentence and have it mean a hundred different things, in my eyes, is condemnable enough. For why should we live life bound by a set of pages which contradict each other, and do not tell a decent story. Why should we be judged by people who do not live life? For our choices are our own and no others, for a man to sit within a seat of power, have no clue of the life that goes on in the modern world away from ‘tradition’ and ‘dogma’, these men are old and fear death as much as they wish you to fear ‘god’. Their ignorance riles me and I would take great pleasure in seeing Christendom collapse around itself. – Maybe a little harsh, but every empire has its time, and as one person said, “they should turn the churches into hotels and retire” if they know what is good for them, for each day they lose more and more respect as well as territory.

As stated in my introduction I am a Christian... I find the that many Churches really don't like my open minded approch. I get treated either like I am demon possessed or the odd very VERY rare time I will meet someone who understands me. I have ran in to about... 4 Christians who are open minded due to personal expirences (outside church walls of course).

I personally find that many churches seem to have such a range of dogma and such a lack of focus on the pure "text" its kind of scary. I have been subjected to a Christian Cult youth group (which I promptly was shoved out of for informing individuals if you cannot question what is being taught your in a cult... good times!)

Dogma is SERIOUSLY one of the BIGGEST issues in the Christian church. Next up is texts being changed in translation... that is always fun... then texts being oh... removed! Fun stuff! And then of course human bias in during the creation of the holy texts, and historical circumstance... ect ect ect... the telephone game gets corupted so fast ....

I personally find that in researching the orginal hebrew and arabic texts that there is a real loss of information about what is being presented verses what a Pastor or Priest will state during a service. There are a lot of old rules and things that many a Christian cut and and paste and mis-quote. Heck I will admit I have been guilty of it myself (but I at least try to go back and correct myself).

Not many Christians read the bible they currently own. More don't even know the historcal context it was written and even more don't get the writting style of the time and thus try to read it in a straight line... sadly that does not work with how the people wrote in that time period. Its VERY hard to tell when its a "story" or a "fish tale" or a "historical event". Heck I know alot of people who only research the bible that are still confused..... we all are... O_o

Personally I try to take what I find the Christ that is explained in the bible was trying to teach. And all of it boils down to the golden rule "Love your neighbour as you love yourself" and have faith...

I always struggle with faith... I like facts, logic.... things I can repeat... which makes it very hard for me since a logic focused Christian canbe considered corupt and evil and lacking "faith"... ah faith the giant f word of all Christiandom which is used to fill in gaps in the modern times...

Honestly I look at things like this.... no one man knows God in full. No one man can grasp God and place him in a box. That means that there can and are many ways to learn about God, aspects of the spiritual world, and aspects of self energy and the physical world.... No one person is fully right nor fully wrong (unless its something tangable that we can disprove in full with tests ... aka Science based methods).

I think its great we cannot fully grasp God... fantastic, and I personally find what is written as a main thread message about Christ is how I seek to live. Does not mean I agree with it all 100% though... or I would not be seeking to learn about other means of learning...

Obsidian, it would greatly please me to know how you reconcile Christianity with magick, and what your opinions on the blending of the two are.

For many years in history the leading adepts were Catholic monks and Jewish Rabbis due to the educational requirements, so I do not find the two to be mutually exclusive, but I am interesting on seeing how magick blends with a more modern protestant view of the christian tradition.

And no, I am not Christian, though one of my best friends is a Jesuit.