Thread: Spiritual Satanism

Originally Posted by MrK

Next year you can read about the work I do with grimoire magic

Based on your track record so far I am not sure you actually have anything to teach that is worth learning.

Originally Posted by MrK

that to me is not magic at all. It is simple energy manipulation.

What is the difference between energy manipulation and 'magic'?

Originally Posted by MrK

People far more knowledgeable then you and very famous disagree with you on that so I really do not care to much what you believe. Also the book is aimed at Grimoire magicians so I doubt that includes you anyway. Pretty much all modern magicians think the way you do. It would do you good to study the works of Dr Joseph Lisiewski.

The difference is obvious for someone who has studied older western magic. Energy manipulation like Ki will not be able to make you get material things, change feelings, find you treasure, summon demons or angels to help you or any of the other wonderful things that magic can do for you.

A hint The difference lays in the old definition of magic from Zorastian times and the not generally accepted definition that Crowley used. There is one major difference in those two definitions.

Your vagueness betrays your confidence. Unless you are going to put out and say something constructive I am going to find it difficult to give you any credence at all, hint or no hint. There are no secrets in occultism and your 'hint' is insulting, especially coming from someone who is clearly not more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

All I get from you is that you have a vague idea about the relationship between reality and magick but there is no depth. I think you are an inarticulate fraud who can't sell books but likes to pretend he knows it all.

Originally Posted by MrK

LOL nothing of what I say is secret at all. Like you say there are no big secrets in the occult anymore. The difference lay in what you read and how you define things. Something you seem to not understand or even be aware of. Anyone studying the grimoires would know what I am saying in a heart beat. Seeing how unfamiliar you are with old magic is rather amusing really.

Only reason I am messing with you was to hopefully make you see two things without me having to tell you straight out. First is that you express your self in posts that your opinion is absolute proof truth which is rather funny in the concept of magic and occultism. The other thing was to make you realize that you really do not know as much as you think. Something you have managed to show at least me perfectly but not realized your self yet.

A tip is to just tell your opinion on things without making it sound as your telling everyone that their way of doing it is completely wrong. I have done that to you for a while now and I hope you realize how annoying it is and how silly it makes it sound.

Anyway now I am gonna cook dinner so have a great Halloween

I have not offered proof of anything so far, but you have: didn't you defend and try to quantify your magic spell by saying that it earned you $70k? Yes you did:

http://www.occultforums.net/free-spe...lly-works.html

I also did not say that you are doing 'it' wrong. I merely asked you to post something meaningful to describe your point of view rather than just posting smoke and mirrors. Until you do, you are just avoiding the issue and continuing to lose creditability.

I bet your Swedish ego is smarting. It might help if you understood how your old recipes work.

I have to say MrK is correct in probably being one of the greatest authorities on Grimoire magick, and does indeed know his stuff. As far as famous people yes he is held in high esteem. How do I know, we are friends with the same people. The problem with all of this is the constant barrage of people wanting to know the secret, there is no secret and if there is it is within. All comes from out subconscious dark and light and it is where we draw our knowledge, our power. I hate the word magick, but until I can think of a better one, I guess it will have to suffice. I have a friend who called the Goetia and Enochian the monsters of the ID, it means they are us, and stem from our ability to manifest our deepest and darkest fears. I work with both, and they are not nasty at all, if you respect and do not try to control, as it is trying to control ones ego, fears, and idiosyncrasies, but i digress. MrK enjoy your dinner, I am off to eat drink and be merry, and perhaps cause a bit of chaos along the way.

Originally Posted by ZeldaFitz

I have to say MrK is correct in probably being one of the greatest authorities on Grimoire magick, and does indeed know his stuff. As far as famous people yes he is held in high esteem. How do I know, we are friends with the same people. The problem with all of this is the constant barrage of people wanting to know the secret, there is no secret and if there is it is within. All comes from out subconscious dark and light and it is where we draw our knowledge, our power. I hate the word magick, but until I can think of a better one, I guess it will have to suffice. I have a friend who called the Goetia and Enochian the monsters of the ID, it means they are us, and stem from our ability to manifest out deepest and darkest fears. I work with both, and they are not nasty at all, if you respect and do not try to control, as it is trying to control ones ego, fears, and idiosyncrasies, but i digress. MrK enjoy your dinner, I am off to eat drink and be merry, and perhaps cause a bit of chaos along the way.

I agree with much of what you are saying, but so far MrK is trying to give himself a sense of self-importance by suggesting he has superior knowledge and he has also pointed away from looking within. So far he just comes across as a Grimoirian bigot, but I am hoping that will change.

You just have to get to know him.

Originally Posted by MrK

Superior knowledge? Well I have probably studied grimoires more then most people but everyone can do that So superior in a way perhaps but others know even more then I do. People like David Rankine, Stephen Skinner, Joseph Peterson and so on are the super experts at it.

As I said you have come across as a new age magician bigot so I gave you the same treatment to hopefully make you see how irritating it is which it seems like you have understood. You failed to realize I was trying to teach you a lesson though

Actually I am not a new ager at all. The fact that you make immediate assumptions about new members on this forum points to your own personality shortfalls.

And I did not ask you for a lesson. After all, you still haven't convinced me that you know whereof you talk.

He does, he does.

Originally Posted by ZeldaFitz

He does, he does.

How can you tell?

Oy Vey! I am off to watch the NCIS marathon. Bye boys!