Thread: Did Satan create us?

I agree. But still, how do you know it was Lucifer that thought Adam and Eve and not something else.

I guess because Lucifer is the essence of gnosis and intellect.
Satan the essence of Will and Rebellion, Belial of physical desires and Leviathan of the Mystery of Creation. The only aspect of the Prince of Darkness that fits the bill in the Garden of Eden would be that of Lucifer.

Well, Satan helped with the rebellion against god.

Also, where did you learn that? Must be some book ive missed?

Etu Malku is speaking from the relativistic stance of Gnosis. It is wholly Gnostic to equate the Serpent of Eden with Lucifer as the act that He committed was the essence of Luciferian acts.

There's not a Biblical source for the equating of the Serpent with Lucifer; the source is in Gnosis itself...a Gnosis with which more and more people are graced these days. But if you need a book to relay the information, they can be found if you look hard enough.

Originally Posted by tram

Well, Satan helped with the rebellion against god.

Also, where did you learn that? Must be some book ive missed?

Ahhh, I see where you're going with this!

Yes, the many book(s) you apparently missed. This is the consensus of most Theosophical, Theological, Philosophical and Psychological thought, as well as how almost all occult societies perceive the metaphorical meeting of the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.

If I might add, that it is Theologically, Lucifer the Angel that rebels against the Abrahamic God. His action is twofold. One, he will not bow down to the inferior Adam as God demands of Him, for Lucifer will bow to only that greater then He as God is. Secondly, this scenario introduces a new perspective on existence to Lucifer, one that God did not wish to be realized.





EM

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

Ahhh, I see where you're going with this!

Yes, the many book(s) you apparently missed. This is the consensus of most Theosophical, Theological, Philosophical and Psychological thought, as well as how almost all occult societies perceive the metaphorical meeting of the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.

If I might add, that it is Theologically, Lucifer the Angel that rebels against the Abrahamic God. His action is twofold. One, he will not bow down to the inferior Adam as God demands of Him, for Lucifer will bow to only that greater then He as God is. Secondly, this scenario introduces a new perspective on existence to Lucifer, one that God did not wish to be realized.





EM

I was actually aiming at this:

Satan the essence of Will and Rebellion, Belial of physical desires and Leviathan of the Mystery of Creation.

Ive never seen this way of "categorizing" it before. Where is it from?

Originally Posted by tram

I was actually aiming at this:



Ive never seen this way of "categorizing" it before. Where is it from?

Ahh, sorry for the rant then!
I believe this exact information was first read from The Sacred Magic of Abremelin The Mage.


EM

(I have spoken out at this forum before as a Skeptic, I am not a fan of Luciferianism - I find it too extremely complicated for theistic occultism. However, I am intrigued by some aspects of Theistic Satanism. I would of course not be an honest Satanist if I don't test these theories.)

I have read a few things by Diane Vera about LaVeyan Superman Syndrome and other aspects of disagreement on LaVeyanism, I have a tendency to agree them as read on. We shall see where the rabbit hole takes me.

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My inclination of how Satan created us is simply put: Evolution. There is absolutely no evidence for the Jewish creation myth of Genesis. Ever since Mathers and Darwin (who were Ironically religious even at the height of the publication of their works. Sadly, Darwin's wife divorced him because of his epic observation of the natural world.) Evolution has always earned the Devil's Name. Catholics scantly accept it and toss alot of guilt-ridden concepts into it, like original sin being a product of evolution. Through out our evolving existence paganism was believed to be the first broad spectrum of religions. Christianity comes 1500 years after Buddhism and robs the pagan world of its beauty while, tongue in cheek, slanders it for Devil Worship!

According to Jews, Christians, and Muslims self-reliance is an evil thing. Imagination and Consciousness seemed to be the awakening of our existence, the recognition of our duality as humans: Humanity and Animality. Growing up Christian I came the realization that whatever Christians don't like, or whatever scares the hell out of their faith-based religion, is instantly labeled as evil. The evil as interpreted by Christians is highly flawed an absent of any potential relativity.

Satan may have not created us, but the symbolic eating of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was our recognition of Satan. To me, I guess he was there all along, but like people in a malaise, they never realize it until they are out of it. The eating of the forbidden fruit is symbolic in all creation myths of world religions. It represents man's loss of innocence to Rational Thought and Observation, as means to approach a solution. Rather, than taking it all on face value. Like states before, Rational Approaches and Observation with evidence is absolutely evil to Christians as this method cannot be applied to God, Faith is the only way.


Nevermore

Originally Posted by kkkhhh555

god wanted him to worship man and he refused ,thats how the story goes,why do you think he doesnt,look what he did to poor job

With all due respect this can be found only in an unofficial gospel. The real story is that Satan wanted to be stronger than God:

'I will ascend into heaven,
Above the stars of God
Will I exalt my throne;
And I will sit upon the mount of meeting,
In the uttermost parts of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the Most High.'

(Yes these are Satan's words in the Bible)...

And... With all due respect again, it's king Leonidas, not "Leonitus"... and yes one of Satan's represantions (because Satan has many represantations, just like God) looks like Leonidas a lot (Lucifer representation to be exact).

By the way, Satan is called "Lord of this World" not "Prince of this World"... It's different

Sorry for the off-topic. I'm done now...

None created us. We are Gods of ourselves. Don't accept these mythologies. Just follow Science and Real Universe... there is nothing exists in Universe but Material.