Thread: Did Satan create us?

Originally Posted by ßelial

None created us. We are Gods of ourselves. Don't accept these mythologies. Just follow Science and Real Universe... there is nothing exists in Universe but Material.

Then why did you choose the name "Belial" if "Lord Belial" does not exist?

Because Satanism is the sign of the Anti-God idea. If you want to destroy nothing you must use anti-nothing weapon.
Satanic idea courages me to save and protect my wishes against Religious obstacles.
If you want to say ''You are false !'' to a jewish/christian/muslim, don't hide out behind of Lucifer's mask like a sheep. Scream and tell ''The things that you believe all are FALSE !'' The real Satanism is that ! You are the God of yourself and you are existing until you keep your power ON.

Originally Posted by ßelial

Because Satanism is the sign of the Anti-God idea. If you want to destroy nothing you must use anti-nothing weapon.
Satanic idea courages me to save and protect my wishes against Religious obstacles.
If you want to say ''You are false !'' to a jewish/christian/muslim, don't hide out behind of Lucifer's mask like a sheep. Scream and tell ''The things that you believe all are FALSE !'' The real Satanism is that ! You are the God of yourself and you are existing until you keep your power ON.

That's called atheism.

True, that's Atheism. Also I am an Atheist. I perceive the real Satanism is not with the Spiritualism, but it's related to Anti-Mythology (Jesus, Moses, YHWH, Muhammed) etc.
Satanism is a door which is opened to the wishes that you cannot do while you follow a religion.

Originally Posted by ßelial

True, that's Atheism. Also I am an Atheist. I perceive the real Satanism is not with the Spiritualism, but it's related to Anti-Mythology (Jesus, Moses, YHWH, Muhammed) etc.
Satanism is a door which is opened to the wishes that you cannot do while you follow a religion.

You are only an atheist not a Satanist. If you don't believe in the existance of any God (regardless if you call him Jehovah, Allah, or Satan) then you are just an atheist. Not a Satanist. Regardless of your other beliefs about humanity / universe / religion.

Originally Posted by tram

I was actually aiming at this:



Ive never seen this way of "categorizing" it before. Where is it from?

Sorry for the belated reply. This ArchDaemonic pecking order is how the Church of Satan and The Temple of Set understand them.

Originally Posted by Belasko

yep. that's it.

The majority of 'satanists' are in fact pragmatic atheists and not theistic satanists.

So O.F. member Belasko may very well be a 'satanist'!

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

The majority of 'satanists' are in fact pragmatic atheists and not theistic satanists.

So O.F. member Belasko may very well be a 'satanist'!

LaVeyans call themselves "Satanists" just to provoke... though I believe that LaVey deceived them all... I think we all know the arguments about if LaVey was really an atheistic Satanist or a "Diabolist".

That is so interesting that your view is this, that earth is hell. This is something that was actually taught in my school growing up in Finland - Earth was actually taught as being hell, and when Lucifer was sent down to earth (earth/hell, long before there was no light, no humans etc..in total darkness and all alone) and left here, as the light bearer for the ones that had lost their way in the darkness, before the day came where there where life...In that story God was the creator of the beginning and Lucifer was not evil, just a different element, so God and Lucifer both of them could never co-exist...God was more of a passive force, true that he did create the beginning of everything , but that was it ... Lucifer was another element, wisdom ,knowledge, truth, evolution etc...
In that story God created Adam and Eve, knowing that one day would come, when Adam and Eve wanted to eat from the tree...etc.. Adam and Eve where also warned by God that the day would come, when they would choose to eat from the tree, even if they did not beleive him, and God was sad when it did eventually happen, but accepting, as he had created them so, he also knew this would eventually be ....

The thing with dying ,yes, both Adam and Eve did die in this story, but later, as after eating from the tree, they had a human life and where not forever in paradise..with it came pain ,but also knowledge, the gift of creating life etc... so humans continued the work of God through their own making..Lucifer was here to shine the light for us, if we lost our way...etc...Everything was beautiful in this story, nothing was evil, just difficult at times, but something that was part of what it was meant to be.....however , there was something else that later on, came along , something called Ahriman. that was reffered to as Satan, but that's a whole different chapter in itself...

You're from Sweden , I'm just wondering where this view, would have come from...I also wonder if the mythologies taught to us culturally and over generations, has something to do with how people percieve and tell the bible stories, in different countries....
I think this soo fasinating to see everyones ideas and beleifs of the same book and books....

Originally Posted by kkkhhh555

all you laveyan,luciferian,theistic,diabolist,and plain ole satanist-your all devil-worshippers,all of you,if you dont even believe that Satan exists,your a devil-worshipper,so dont argue about it,you are all in the same boat.So,remember Jesus will forgive you if you ask

This doesn't make any sense. Unless you are just kidding around, I would like to discuss some of your veiwpoints.

Perhaps Diabolists and Theistic Satanists 'worship' the Devil incarnate as Satan, but the rest don't.

Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Now, atheism is not a path it is a philosophy, therefore when a Luciferian talks about Lucifer, they are talking about the Principle in which Lucifer is concieved, because they don't believe that these deities exist but they do understand that the Principle exists, big difference.

Christianity is a full blown delusion of deities and worship and servitude. Jesus, if he actually existed, was nothing more than a man with an idea. It is 'WE' who has given him his power and GodHead.

Yeshua the Nazarene can't save anyone. anymore than I can.


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