Thread: Did Satan create us?

In the bible it says that he is the prince of this world, everything that is sin is Satan and all that is sin is our natural urges. So did he create this planets beings?

Originally Posted by kkkhhh555

what verse is that ,satan didnt mcreate us he hates us, hes the accuser,

Where do you get this information from? Satan hates 'us'?

EM

Originally Posted by tram

In the bible it says that he is the prince of this world, everything that is sin is Satan and all that is sin is our natural urges. So did he create this planets beings?

I guess if your going by the Christian beliefs (which it sounds as if you are) then God created the world and all that is in it.

Nowhere does it state that 'everything that is sin is satan'

EM

Etumalku is correct.

It doesn't state anywhere that Satan is everything that is sin, or that he even loves sin, he's simply a force of temptation that causes man to turn away from God (At least in the bible).

It is interesting that Satan isn't actually referred anywhere in the old testament and yet he is referred frequently and suddenly in the new testament. Suddenly the old demon names that were originally used in the old testament are replaced with satan.

In ''The Joy of Satan'' website, Satan is considered the creator of humanity. However, even if you followed mythology that is bullshit. Enki didn't create Man, Marduk did.

On an occult and metaphysical note. I'm sure the souls of some do come from Lucifer/Satan but I don't give credit to Satan for the entire creation of humanity.

Though if you think about the forbidden fruit and how man was said to be ''clothed'' after he left the garden, one could think of ''clothes of flesh'' that were given to Adam and Eve... and thus in one train of thought Satan could be the creator of our human bodies.

Well, it is true that nothing in the Bible stated that Satan is sin, but he led Adam and Eve into sin and that became theyr true nature. So in a way he did create us, atleast our inner animalistic selfs.

Also, Satan was mentioned in the old testament. In the book of job:

Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no-one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil" "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has?... But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face." (Job 1:8-11)

Originally Posted by tram

Well, it is true that nothing in the Bible stated that Satan is sin, but he led Adam and Eve into sin and that became theyr true nature. So in a way he did create us, atleast our inner animalistic selfs.

Also, Satan was mentioned in the old testament. In the book of job:

I kind of see this scenario a bit differently . . .


The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! . . ."

The New Revised Standard Version translates the same passage as "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, Son of Dawn!" In other translations we find: "O shining star of the dawn!" (Moffatt) or "O morning-star, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew Bible).

The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent.

Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes
Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.

Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.


Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.

But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .

The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light! A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.


EM

Well Lucifer and Satan i whould say are two different subjects, even tho some people believe they are one. So that is kinda offtopic.

Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Genesis 2:

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

According to Genesis 5:5, Adam died at the age of 930 (Eve's death was not recorded, being a woman she was not important enough it seems)

EM

What i meant was how do you know thats Lucifer? If Lucifer is not the same as Satan that is.

In my opinion, the entire Old & New Testaments are metaphorical and not historical.
The idea behind the apple and Adam & Eve is that Lucifer (the angel) made it understood by Adam & Eve that there is more to life than subservience to another (God) and that Man has the ability to Become as a god, Himself. This is THE premise of the entire Left Hand Path as opposed to the Right Hand Path of God.

Lucifer, Satan, Belial & Leviathan are the Four Crowned Princes of Hell and the four aspects of the Prince of Darkness.


EM