Thread: How old is Satanism..really?

When has Satanism had anything to do with the unification of duality?

Satanism if anything would recognize that duality and seek to strike a sort of balance with those polarities but the destruction of those polarities is typically not a satanic ideal. A lot of satanic ideals are actually very original, some of which (mainly the ritual and fleshly aspects... and some of the metaphysical/occult aspects) are different but the philosophy and antinomian aspects of satanism are drastically different from original paganism.

Paganism is all about going and becoming in tune with nature. So how is a religion which is antinomian something that is in tune with nature? Nature is order and follows laws by it's own virtue and so one who is lawless surely has nothing to do with Nature. Satanism of all kinds focuses on the self, even theistic satanism which focuses on self-empowerment through the dark forces they work with. It should also be kept in mind that the deities which most resemble the Adversary like Hades in Greece and various others were worshipped in secret/solitary at worse and as a mystery religion at best. If you want to call the worship of such entities ''satanism'' then go right ahead but even they didn't really have an established order.... and why would they if everyone is different and everyone's Will is different? The only public worship that resembles The Adversary is Kali and Shiva and their worship is still controversial. Look at the Aghori.

The oldest record of Satanism was in the 1600s in Germany. That was when the recorded ''black mass'' happened. The worship of Baphomet was not necessarily the worship of Satan but Baphomet is considered Satan in some aspects (more like the unification of Satan and Lilith... the Adversarial force in all its' glory) and was worshipped by the knights templar who didn't agree with the crusades. The church said they were worshipping satan and killed them. This was considered the oldest aspect of satanism but since it was not recorded, it has not been actually considered the beginning of Satanism.

This is from ''The Origin of Satan'' but really you can look it up anywhere online. Just research Baphomet.

I never said btw that you said that, Goth-Queen. I said that simply because people are claiming that satanism is this age old religion when it is at least 400 years old. Sure, as a force or similar entity known by other religions he could be considered worshipped since the dawn of human kind... but Satanism as a religion is not. The only valid religion that has the same ideals as Satanism was that of the Yatuk - Dinoh, or the worship of Ahriman.

Ahriman, the Persian Devil? How far back does that go? Yeah, I saw "The Origin of Satan" pages, pretty interesting. Apparently it has alot to do with Ancient Egypt too.

Set didn't become the bad guy until he was linked with Apep (his enemy) because of Apophis which is similar in spelling to Apep.... Apophis worshipped Set and Apophis was the ruler of lower egypt and threat to the pharohs (sp?) and thus the god was seen as something to be demonized.

The Yatuk Dinoh date back to Zurvanism when Ahriman was seen as equal to Ahura Mazda.

Apophis became a symbol of Apep, Set was considered synonymous with both of them because he was worshipped by Apophis and the higher egyptian pharophs wanted nationalism and such.

It was political.

Set was said to destroy Apep nightly as Ra journeyed in the underworld.

I knew about that but I didn't know the crocodile god was more important than punisher of the dead. That's interesting... considering Maat is the Goddess of Order. It makes sense she was connected to the sun.

Of interest to this thread as well as our satanic historians, http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf is a link to the Temple of Set's founder Dr. Aquino, and his book on The Church of Satan. The pdf. is lengthy but you can go directly to chapter One: Antecedents pg.11 to read about the cultural origins of satanism.

Maybe I can agree that Satanism existed before Christianity, because in the New Testament humans already knew the Devil and His angels, so I guess there were people who worshipped Him before Christ came to Earth. Now, if you are talking about this so called "ancient religion theistic Satanism", yes it is even older than the Old Testament however... If a community believes in a horned, or goat-looking God, it doesn't mean these people are Satanists. In Ancient Greece there was Typhon, in Ancient Egypt there was Set and many more, and there were people who worshipped Typhon and Set back then (they believed in all the other Gods but they choose to worship Set or Typhon - Just like Spartans who believed in the 12 Gods, but they had chosen to worship the God of War, Ares).

So... These ancient people who worshipped Typhon and Set, are Satanists in your eyes?

I assume you are talking to me, Kain?
The Greek religions came well after Egyptian. This doesn't take anything away from their understanding, I am very fond of Greek mythology, religion and metaphysics.
Yes, Typhon is Set. Just as Hermes is Thoth, etc.
As far as I am concerned the Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity & Islam) are all continuations of Persian Zoroastrian and even older Egyptian Aten religions (these are the first monotheistic systems created).

Theistic Satanists base their beliefs on the Christian devil.
Other Satanists are for the most part (in my opinion) pragmatic atheists.
Setians are followers of the Left Hand Path, in which there is an agenda.

So, no the ancient Greeks and Egyptians would not be considered Satanists, because they had nothing to do with the later created Abrahamic systems.

Set and Set alone is the archetype principle of the Left Hand Path and the Becoming of a god principle. This concept rears its beautiful head thousands of years later in the allegorical story of Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden.

Lucifer is the Archdaemon of the East and represents the Element Air, he makes His metaphorical debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and she will not die if she eats of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did she not die.

Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, showed us the way to either be One with God/atonement (RHP) or to be a god (LHP). Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' (Lux Lucis) He represents gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.


But Lucifer is more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself!

The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light! A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.

Originally Posted by Kain

Maybe I can agree that Satanism existed before Christianity, because in the New Testament humans already knew the Devil and His angels, so I guess there were people who worshipped Him before Christ came to Earth. Now, if you are talking about this so called "ancient religion theistic Satanism", yes it is even older than the Old Testament however... If a community believes in a horned, or goat-looking God, it doesn't mean these people are Satanists. In Ancient Greece there was Typhon, in Ancient Egypt there was Set and many more, and there were people who worshipped Typhon and Set back then (they believed in all the other Gods but they choose to worship Set or Typhon - Just like Spartans who believed in the 12 Gods, but they had chosen to worship the God of War, Ares).

So... These ancient people who worshipped Typhon and Set, are Satanists in your eyes?

Well actually my reply was for Goth_Queen because I understood from what she / he said in the first post that she / he thinks that everyone who worshipped a horned God was a Satanist. I hope I missunderstood because this is not true of course.

Now about Greeks following the Egyptian religion I don't know if that's true, I've never read this before.

Originally Posted by Kain

Now about Greeks following the Egyptian religion I don't know if that's true, I've never read this before.

I don't see how you could miss it, it's been written about for centuries
Egypt: origin of the Greek culture

From what I read about the worship of Set and Typhon in the old days - a lot of it does seem Left Hand Path/Satanic. As does the worship of Ahriman... which was back then the truely ''averse path'' (to my knowledge). I cannot agree with the worship of the horned god though as being ''satanic''... The horned God was a nature deity and fertility deity. Granted they indulged in sex orgies and alcohol but they were still all about the natural order. Set, Typhon, and Ahriman were not at all concerned about it - rather they wanted to create their own order... for they realized that all order is temporary and to be subservient to a ''universal dogma'' would be a waste of time and effort.

But Satanism as in the worship of the biblical satan, I don't believe this to be older than christianity since christianity created Satan. Before this the jews feared many fallen angels and demonic entities but there was no personal head honcho who controlled them until the new testament. Satan before this was considered to be an angel sent by god to obstruct and test the faith of those who followed God. To the jews, the only thing that is supream is God.

The only possible head honcho that could have existed was Samael. Who in some texts was still not the enemy of God - putting him in the status of Gevurah on the tree of life in the Kabbalah. This is why a lot of the apocryphal texts have been removed from the bible because a lot of what the jewish religion is - is mysticism. Thus they don't follow each other.