Thread: How old is Satanism..really?

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

I don't see how you could miss it, it's been written about for centuries
Egypt: origin of the Greek culture

First, it's obvious that the author of this article is from Egypt or he just loves Egypt and hates Greece since he claims that everything we knew about Greek philosophy, culture and religion originates from Egypt. This is obviously mistaken. We can't compare Pythagoras' philosophy with Egypt's philosophy. It is a fact that Egypt's culture was primitive compared with Greek culture. He even claims that death was the end for Greek culture. That's not true. There was Hades in which souls went when they die. They also had to place two coins on the eyes of the dead so they can pay the boatman to take them to the other side of the lake which was Hades. The world of the dead. However many dead people in Greek history are appeared again though they are supposed to be dead.

Originally Posted by Kain

First, it's obvious that the author of this article is from Egypt or he just loves Egypt and hates Greece since he claims that everything we knew about Greek philosophy, culture and religion originates from Egypt. This is obviously mistaken. We can't compare Pythagoras' philosophy with Egypt's philosophy. It is a fact that Egypt's culture was primitive compared with Greek culture. He even claims that death was the end for Greek culture. That's not true. There was Hades in which souls went when they die. They also had to place two coins on the eyes of the dead so they can pay the boatman to take them to the other side of the lake which was Hades. The world of the dead. However many dead people in Greek history are appeared again though they are supposed to be dead.

Obviously you don't actually read anything that any article stated. I won't waste my time trying to correct you.

Yes Soddex, it is fascinating! You know that the Serpent is Ouroboros and Leviathan, our dragon mythology etc. It is the principle of the cycles of the ordered universe. Very cool pagan stuff, although hated by the developing Abrahamic faiths and their political Pawns and hence this Serpent had to be demonized.

Originally Posted by Soddex

I find it interesting that they found an 70 000 year old snake-god in Botswana. It has for a long time been a symbol for wisdom and eternal life while hebrew and some asian religions has seen it as evil and a devil. Do you believe that the serpent has any connection to satan earlier than the hebrew and asian stories tell? And if so, is it possible that satan was worshiped in Botswana 70 000 years ago?

Edit: Geographic Travels: 70,000 Year Old Snake God Discovered

My dear friend devakxes,
Your post on Set/Typhon and Ahriman is spot on! I agree with everything you said. There is no 'Satanism' without the Christian faith, the Horned God is Pan, the Nietzsche Satyr that embodies the Dionysian man in his wild and 'horny' genius!!


EM

Originally Posted by devakxes

Obviously you don't actually read anything that any article stated. I won't waste my time trying to correct you.

It was the standard belief in antiquity that Pythagoras had undertaken extensive travels, and had visited not only Egypt, but Arabia, Phoenicia, Judaea, Babylon, and even India, for the purpose of collecting all available knowledge, and especially to learn information concerning the secret or mystic cults of the gods.[16] The journey to Babylon is possible, and not very unlikely. That Pythagoras visited Egypt, may be more probable, and many ancient writers asserted this.[17] Enough of Egypt was known to attract the curiosity of an inquiring Greek, and contact between Samos and other parts of Greece with Egypt is mentioned.[18]

It is not easy to say how much Pythagoras learned from the Egyptian priests, or indeed, whether he learned anything at all from them. There was nothing in the symbolism which the Pythagoreans adopted which showed the distinct traces of Egypt. The secret religious rites of the Pythagoreans exhibited nothing but what might have been adopted in the spirit of Greek religion, by those who knew nothing of Egyptian mysteries. The philosophy and the institutions of Pythagoras might easily have been developed by a Greek mind exposed to the ordinary influences of the age. Even the ancient authorities note the similarities between the religious and ascetic peculiarities of Pythagoras with the Orphic or Cretan mysteries,[19] or the Delphic oracle.[20]

Credits: Wikipedia...

btw you dont need to do many things... just think that mythology, philosophy, mathimatics, geometria, biology, physics, astronomy, astrology, theater, hypocrisy etc. etc. etc. these are ALL Greek words so we don't need to think too much to make a conclusion about Ancient Greece's significance in the whole science / art thingy...

The IndoEuropeans would be the ones to look at for some of the first organized faiths. When you think about it, there were first nomadic tribes that were endlessly wandering from food source to food source, herding etc. An rather taxing and time consuming life.

When these tribes learned how to cultivate the earth and could stay in one place, everything changed. Now the seasons, the cycles all became extremely vital to their existence and given more time to sit in one place and 'think' for a change, they devised personifications for these seasonal changes and cycles, hence many of our primordial archetypes were created.

Earth based religions came into being at this point, and I would agree with you Soddex that these would be Man's first and finest belief systems.

Now, groups of men gathered ritually and went out on the hunt, they honored the animal that was killed and brought home to feed the tribe, they asked forgiveness from these animal's 'greater spirit' and was thankful for what this spirit provided the tribe in the way of food.

*FYI: the word daimon in Greek meant spirits and is another word that became demonized.


EM

Originally Posted by Soddex

Can this anicent folklore show in someway that this is the start of modern satanism? And can we then say that satanism indeed is older than the faith in God or Gods?

That would depend on how we are defining Satan.
If this is the Satan from Christianity, then it started with Christianity.

If we define Satan as a Principle of Isolate Intelligence then he has his origin in Egypt with the god Set.

How are we defining Satan?

This makes me need to re-read the article on serpents from the secret doctrine.

The egyptians viewed this creature as very sacred. The egg represented the Cosmic Egg (universe/world) because the ordered universe was a projection of spirit and mind (the shell is not alive, but the yolk and stuff becomes the snake). The serpent is phallic but more so in the context of Will... The hindus also have a similar view, holding that this reality is a lie.

The serpent hatching from the egg represented the Self-Born, a representation of Amon (?) breaking free from the waters of nuin. Simultaneously, the world exists because of the self.

''In the waters of nuin
at the point of first creation,
I created myself out of desire for myself
thus the world was born.''

Thus the more knowledge one gains the more self-aware you become. Thus the more the world exists.

If you think about this, this is true. The child barely understands itself and thus barely understands the world... living in fantasy worlds that both the child and the parent create. As the child learns more and more about their self, the child realizes the fantasy world created by their self and the parent is not real... and begins to formulate their own views of it. The serpent being the truth... the only reality is Self... more so the inner spark of divinity... reality is what you make it (both literally and metaphorically).

The serpent also is all about it's own survival. It is all about itself and winning. It cares not for others, even those of its' kind. You can care for a snake and feed it its entire life but it will still one day bite you. That is it's nature. So while it has this positive symbolism it also has this ''negative'' beastial nature. ''The brightest light casts the darkest shadow''.

It is reviled by many RHP religions for this reason. The symbolism of the serpent is embedded deep into our collective consciousness. If I had the secret doctrine with me I'd go into more detail on this. It should be in the second volume (anthropogenesis).

I don't agree with all of her views but what she says about this is very relevant.

They was a man called Ben Kadosh that was a satanist early 20Th century and the was a coven of satanist in 1940 called Ophite Cultus Satanas